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Generation 1

1.	CHRISTOPHER¹ GOLDRING ¹ was born in Rogate, Sussex, England. He married in Rogate, Sussex, England.

	Christopher Goldring had the following children:
		i.	ALICE² GOLDRING¹ was born in 1606 in Rogate, Sussex, England.



		ii.	ARTHUR GOLDRING was born on 20 Mar 1609.
			ARTHUR GOLDRING was born on 20 Mar 1609.


		iii.	RICHARD GOLDRING² was born on 28 Oct 1611. He died before 1617³.



		iv.	MARGARET GOLDRING¹ was born in 1614 in Rogate, Sussex, England.



	2.	v.	RICHARD GOLDRING¹ was born on 23 Nov 1617 in Rogate, Sussex, England. He married MARY STRETEN on 26 May 1941 in Rogate, Sussex, England¹. She was born in Rogate, Sussex, England.


		vi.	ELIZABETH GOLDRING². She died on 18 Sep 1619⁴.
			ELIZABETH GOLDRING². She died on 18 Sep 1619⁴.


Generation 2

2.	RICHARD² GOLDRING (Christopher¹)¹ was born on 23 Nov 1617 in Rogate, Sussex, England. He married MARY STRETEN on 26 May 1941 in Rogate, Sussex, England¹. She was born in Rogate, Sussex, England.

	Richard Goldring and Mary Streten had the following children:
	3.	i.	RICHARD³ GOLDRING was born in 1642 in Rogate, Sussex, England. He married (1) MARY TODMAN on 03 Dec 1672 in Rogate, Sussex, England. He married (2) JOANE LONGE on 03 Nov 1663 in Rogate, Sussex, England⁵.


		ii.	THOMAS GOLDRING¹ was born in 1645 in Rogate, Sussex, England.



	4.	iii.	WILLIAM GOLDRING¹ was born in 1646 in Rogate, Sussex, England¹.
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		iv.	CHRISTOPHER GOLDRING¹ was born in 1649 in Rogate, Sussex, England.



Generation 3

3.	RICHARD³ GOLDRING (Richard², Christopher¹) was born in 1642 in Rogate, Sussex, England. He married (1) MARY TODMAN on 03 Dec 1672 in Rogate, Sussex, England. He married (2) JOANE LONGE on 03 Nov 1663 in Rogate, Sussex, England⁵. Notes for Richard Goldring: LDS site shows a Richard Goldringe (with an e), born in 1642, son of Richard Goldringe [1611] m. 1641 to a Mary Streten. All events taking place in Rogate, Sussex. Looks like a perfect fit. The father of Richard [1611] is Christoph.


	More About Mary Todman: Christening: 26 Dec 1650 in Rogate, Sussex, England¹
	Richard Goldring and Mary Todman had the following children:
		i.	JOANE⁴ GOLDRING was born on 19 May 1673 in Rogate, Sussex, England. She died on 28 Jan 1674 in Rogate, Sussex, England.
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		ii.	SARAH GOLDRING was born on 21 Nov 1673 in Rogate, Sussex, England. She died on 18 May 1684 in Rogate, Sussex, England.
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		iii.	MARY GOLDRING was born on 24 May 1675 in Rogate, Sussex, England.



	5.	iv.	RICHARD GOLDRING was born on 19 Oct 1675 in Rogate, Sussex, England. He married ELIZABETH EAMS on 20 Feb 1708 in Chithurst, Sussex, England. She was born in Sussex, England.


	6.	v.	HENDRIE GOLDRING⁶ was born on 23 Feb 1679 in Rogate, Sussex, England⁶. He married MARY FLUTER on 10 Jun 1713 in Chithurst, Sussex, England⁷.


		vi.	JANE GOLDRING was born in Rogate, Sussex, England. She died in 1687 in Rogate, Sussex, England.
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		vii.	JOHN GOLDRING was born in Rogate, Sussex, England.
			JOHN GOLDRING was born in Rogate, Sussex, England.


	More About Joane Longe: Christening: 02 Dec 1640 in Trotton, Sussex, England
	Richard Goldring and Joane Longe had the following children:
		viii.	RICHARD GOLDRING was born on 27 Sep 1664 in Rogate, Sussex, England. She died on 20 Jan 1670 in Rogate, Sussex, England.
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		ix.	MARY GOLDRING was born on 04 Apr 1670 in Rogate, Sussex, England. She died on 12 Nov 1674 in Rogate, Sussex, England.
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4.	WILLIAM³ GOLDRING (Richard², Christopher¹)¹ was born in 1646 in Rogate, Sussex, England¹.

	William Goldring had the following children:
		i.	WILL⁴ GOLDRING¹ was born in 1668 in Rogate, Sussex, England.



		ii.	JOHN GOLDRING¹ was born in 1670 in Rogate, Sussex, England.
			JOHN GOLDRING¹ was born in 1670 in Rogate, Sussex, England.


		iii.	MARGERY GOLDRING¹ was born in 1673 in Rogate, Sussex, England.



		iv.	MARY GOLDRING¹ was born in 1676 in Rogate, Sussex, England¹.



		v.	ROBERT GOLDRING¹ was born in 1679 in Rogate, Sussex, England.



		vi.	NICHOLAS GOLDRING¹ was born in 1679 in Rogate, Sussex, England.



Generation 4

5.	RICHARD⁴ GOLDRING (Richard³, Richard², Christopher¹) was born on 19 Oct 1675 in Rogate, Sussex, England. He married ELIZABETH EAMS on 20 Feb 1708 in Chithurst, Sussex, England. She was born in Sussex, England.

	Richard Goldring and Elizabeth Eams had the following children:
		i.	JOHN⁵ GOLDRING¹ was born in 1709 in Rogate, Sussex, England¹. He married MARY CHANDLER on 17 Sep 1739 in Trotton, Sussex, England¹.
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		ii.	RICHARD GOLDRING¹ was born in 1712 in Rogate, Sussex, England¹. He married ELIZABETH BOOKER on 26 Apr 1731 in Rogate, Sussex, England¹.
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		iii.	ELIZABETH GOLDRING was born in 1715 in Rogate, Sussex, England.



6.	HENDRIE⁴ GOLDRING (Richard³, Richard², Christopher¹)⁶ was born on 23 Feb 1679 in Rogate, Sussex, England⁶. He married MARY FLUTER on 10 Jun 1713 in Chithurst, Sussex, England⁷. Notes for Hendrie Goldring: Regarding the Richard GOLDRING baptized on 26/11/1714 I can tell you that he was an elder borther of my direct descendant John GOLDRING who was baptized on 20/2/1720 at Rogate. Their parents were Henry GOLDRING and Mary FLUTER who married on 10/6/1713 at Chithurst. They had at least seven children between 1714 and 1728. If however Richard was baptized on 6/4/1712 there are two possibilities as to who his father was, it was either as John or Richard GOLDRING. I can confirm that John is related to my tree from an earlier period, but do not know of Richard connection with the family. That said GOLDRING was a uncommon name and still relatively is in the UK, but Rogate was indeed a hub� of the family name and I have no doubt that he is related somewhere. Conrad Roberts In Family Contacts( at )iprimus. com. au

	Hendrie Goldring and Mary Fluter had the following children:
	7.	i.	RICHARD⁵ GOLDRING was born on 26 Nov 1714 in Rogate, Sussex, England⁶. He died in England. He married ELIZABETH MESSER on 06 Jan 1740 in Trotton, Sussex, England⁸. She was born in Sussex, England. She died in England.


		ii.	HENRY GOLDRING was born on 17 Jan 1716 in Rogate, Sussex, England⁶.



		iii.	MARY GOLDRING was born on 10 Aug 1718 in Rogate, Sussex, England⁶.



		iv.	JOHN GOLDRING was born on 12 Feb 1720 in Rogate, Sussex, England⁶.



	8.	v.	JOSEPH GOLDRING was born on 08 Feb 1724 in Rogate, Sussex, England⁶. He married ELIZABETH TALBOT on 23 Jan 1759 in Trotton, Sussex, England. She was born on 27 Aug 1721 in Trotton, Sussex, England.


		vi.	ELIZABETH GOLDRING was born on 01 Oct 1727 in Rogate, Sussex, England⁶.



		vii.	SARAH GOLDRING was born on 02 Feb 1728 in Rogate, Sussex, England⁶.



Generation 5

7.	RICHARD⁵ GOLDRING (Hendrie⁴, Richard³, Richard², Christopher¹) was born on 26 Nov 1714 in Rogate, Sussex, England⁶. He died in England. He married ELIZABETH MESSER on 06 Jan 1740 in Trotton, Sussex, England⁸. She was born in Sussex, England. She died in England. Notes for Richard Goldring: From: Roberts [mailto:In Family Contacts( at )iprimus. com. au] If however Richard was baptized on 6/4/1712 there are two possibilities as to who his father was, it was either as John or Richard GOLDRING. I can confirm that John is related to my tree from an earlier period, but do not know of Richard connection with the family. That said GOLDRING was a uncommon name and still relatively is in the UK, but Rogate was indeed a �hub� of the family name and I have no doubt that he is related somewhere Thus my own latter work/speculation suggests that both these Richard GOLDRING�s could well be the one and same person. And that he was baptized either on 6/4/1712 at Rogate (parents Richard and Elizabeth) or 26/11/1714 (parents Henry and Mary). Richard GOLDRING and Elizabeth BROOKER on 26/4/1731 at Rogate as well as a Richard GOLDRING and Elizabeth MESSER on 6/1/1740 at the neighbouring village of Trotton. Indeed my very own GOLDRING family held farms at both Rogate and Trotton and they are still there to this day (I send you some pics in due course) From the 1731 marriage no children are known of- are the Registers incomplete, partly missing, did the wife die, did they move elsewhere? - we do not know. Possibly the 1740 marriage could well be the same Richard GOLDRING remarrying ? - this though is pure speculation on my behalf. The only corresponding baptisms for parents named Richard and Elizabeth in this immediate period do not start until 1746 and cease in 1757. What of the period to 1740 to 1746, perhaps there were no children, or surviving children that had the opportunity to be baptized from the first years of this marriage ? Sandi's comments: I would assume that my Thomas is from the marriage of Richard and Elizabeth Messer?. About 16 years after the marriage, if he was from Brooker that would be about 27 years? making the mother up there in years. For the delay in children, I notice that there is not a Richard in this family, which is strange for those days so there may have been children that didn�t survive. Speculation is all we have with these records. Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 01:03 AM Dear Sandi Great to hear from you, indeed you certainly have done some up dates on your WebSite since I last looked at it a week or two ago. Must of the GOLDRING 'stuff' you've updated relates exactly to what I've recorded here on the Canadian link. . . . I believe that Thomas GOLDRING who married Grace Hunt at Yapton on 21/9/1776 was actually possibly baptized on 8/5/1757 at Rogate and not Yapton - and that he was not the son of a Edmund GOLDRING and Elizabeth, but he was the son of a Richard GOLDRING and Elizabeth (This is suggestion is contrary to your own research Sandi- but I could well stand corrected here. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ) Now while the Parish Registers for West Sussex are relatively well recorded for this period it is difficult to speculate as to who and where this Richard GOLDRING and Elizabeth hailed from/and or were married. Certainly from an earlier time the village of Rogate was a �hot bed� of the GOLDRING name, with some of the family recorded as fighting as Archers at Agincourt in the early 1400s. There are two possible recorded marriages of interest as follows- Richard GOLDRING and Elizabeth BROOKER on 26/4/1731 at Rogate as well as a Richard GOLDRING and Elizabeth MESSER on 6/1/1740 at the neighbouring village of Trotton. Indeed my very own GOLDRING family held farms at both Rogate and Trotton and they are still there to this day (I send you some pics in due course) From the 1731 marriage no children are known of- are the Registers incomplete, partly missing, did the wife die, did they move elsewhere? - we do not know. Possibly the 1740 marriage could well be the same Richard GOLDRING remarrying ? - this though is pure speculation on my behalf. The only corresponding baptisms for parents named Richard and Elizabeth in this immediate period do not start until 1746 and cease in 1757. What of the period to 1740 to 1746, perhaps there were no children, or surviving children that had the opportunity to be baptized from the first years of this marriage ? For the purpose of my own research a distant GOLDRING descendant of mine had within his own research some details of a line of our GOLDRING ancestors that had emigrated to Canada circa 1823- and wheres the connection is has intrigued me ever since I became aware of it. There is scattering of speculation that two brothers were fleeing possible smuggling persecution which almost always ended in a minimum of 6 months hard labour in those days, and that one of the borther s was only about 13 years old. One of these brothers William originally learnt the boot trade in Toronto before making a small fortune plying the Great Lakes out of Port Whitby with his fleet of vessels. I actually have a �pic� taken from a painting or William here- alas in extremely poor condition. . My own research on my GOLDRING lines has been independently researched by Debretts Researchers in the UK and they have concurred that my findings (and that of several other GOLDRING researchers) is correct. Debretts research however provides no clues as to where the possible Canadian connection is hidden. Debretts used Poll Tax records in conjunction with the various Parish Registers to complete their research. Thus my own latter work/speculation suggests that both these Richard GOLDRING�s could well be the one and same person. And that he was baptized either on 6/4/1712 at Rogate (parents Richard and Elizabeth) or 26/11/1714 (parents Henry and Mary). Regarding the Richard GOLDRING baptized on 26/11/1714 I can tell you that he was an elder borther of my direct descendant John GOLDRING who was baptized on 20/2/1720 at Rogate. Their parents were Henry GOLDRING and Mary FLUTER who married on 10/6/1713 at Chithurst. They had at least seven children between 1714 and 1728. If however Richard was baptized on 6/4/1712 there are two possibilities as to who his father was, it was either as John or Richard GOLDRING. I can confirm that John is related to my tree from an earlier period, but do not know of Richard connection with the family. That said GOLDRING was a uncommon name and still relatively is in the UK, but Rogate was indeed a �hub� of the family name and I have no doubt that he is related somewhere. From: Richard Goldring [mailto:richard( at )goldring. demon. co. uk] Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 11:47: AM To: sandi( at )SandiSullivan. com Subject: More Goldring's in Somerset, England Hello ! Found your WONDERFUL and ENORMOUS family tree on the WebSite, by entering my youngest child's name into the GOOGLE web-site (Ruth Goldring). As you can see from our e-mail address, we are a GOLDRING family too, and have traced back our family tree back to West Susssex, England. From an initial glance through your WebSite there are enough first names e. g. Edmund, locations e. g. Pagham and occupations e. g. Agricultural Labourer to say that our tree links into yours. I've printed off the first 10 pages which include all the Goldring's in your tree and will attempt to confirm the link to our family tree. The Goldring name is not common, here in the UK, even now and we are the only Goldring's in Somerset. There is a concentration of Goldring's still in West Sussex, and Portsmouth, Hampshire. So will contact you again when we can confirm the links. Regards to you all Mr. and Mrs. Richard Goldring P. S. Our son's name is James Goldring, named after his gt-gt-gt-gt grandfather !


	More About Elizabeth Messer: Christening: 11 Sep 1717 in Trotton, Sussex, England¹
	Richard Goldring and Elizabeth Messer had the following children:
		i.	JANE⁶ GOLDRING⁹ was born before 20 Apr 1746 in Rogate, Sussex, England⁹. More About Jane Goldring: Christening: 20 Apr 1746 in Rogate, Sussex, England⁹
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	9.	ii.	HENRY GOLDRING⁹ was born before 23 Apr 1749 in Rogate, Sussex, England⁹. He married MARGRATA.


	10.	iii.	SARAH GOLDRING⁹ was born before 14 Jul 1754 in Rogate, Sussex, England⁹. She married JOHN HOARE in Rogate, Sussex, England.


	11.	iv.	THOMAS GOLDRING⁹ was born before 08 May 1757 in Rogate, Sussex, England¹⁰. He died in 1822 in Rogate, Sussex, England. He married GRACE HUNT on 21 Sep 1776 in Yapton, Sussex, England¹¹, daughter of Henry Hunt and Mary. She was born before 18 Jan 1756 in South Bersted, Sussex, England⁹. She died in 1822 in Sussex, England¹².


8.	JOSEPH⁵ GOLDRING (Hendrie⁴, Richard³, Richard², Christopher¹) was born on 08 Feb 1724 in Rogate, Sussex, England⁶. He married ELIZABETH TALBOT on 23 Jan 1759 in Trotton, Sussex, England. She was born on 27 Aug 1721 in Trotton, Sussex, England.

	Joseph Goldring and Elizabeth Talbot had the following children:
	12.	i.	ELIZABETH⁶ GOLDRING¹ was born in 1760 in Sussex, England. She married (1) JAMES TIPPER on 27 Nov 1781 in Sussex, England¹. She married (2) JOHN KNIGHT on 29 Jan 1781 in Rogate, Sussex, England¹³.


		ii.	JOSEPH GOLDRING¹ was born in 1762 in Sussex, England. He married ANN HOLT on 27 Dec 1782 in Trotton, Sussex, England¹.
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Generation 6

9.	HENRY⁶ GOLDRING (Richard⁵, Hendrie⁴, Richard³, Richard², Christopher¹)⁹ was born before 23 Apr 1749 in Rogate, Sussex, England⁹. He married MARGRATA. More About Henry Goldring: Christening: 23 Apr 1749 in Rogate, Sussex, England⁹

	Henry Goldring and Margrata had the following children:
		i.	MARY⁷ GOLDRING¹ was born in 1775 in Rogate, Sussex, England¹.



		ii.	HENRY GOLDRING¹ was born in 1777 in Rogate, Sussex, England¹.



10.	SARAH⁶ GOLDRING (Richard⁵, Hendrie⁴, Richard³, Richard², Christopher¹)⁹ was born before 14 Jul 1754 in Rogate, Sussex, England⁹. She married JOHN HOARE in Rogate, Sussex, England. More About Sarah Goldring: Christening: 14 Jul 1754 in Rogate, Sussex, England⁹

	John Hoare and Sarah Goldring had the following children:
		i.	SARAH⁷ HOARE¹ was born in 1782 in Rogate, Sussex, England¹. She died in 1859 in Rogate, Sussex, England.
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		ii.	RHODY HOARE¹ was born in 1783 in Rogate, Sussex, England¹.
			RHODY HOARE¹ was born in 1783 in Rogate, Sussex, England¹.


		iii.	PRISCILLA HOARE¹ was born in 1785 in Rogate, Sussex, England¹.



11.	THOMAS⁶ GOLDRING (Richard⁵, Hendrie⁴, Richard³, Richard², Christopher¹)⁹ was born before 08 May 1757 in Rogate, Sussex, England¹⁰. He died in 1822 in Rogate, Sussex, England. He married GRACE HUNT on 21 Sep 1776 in Yapton, Sussex, England¹¹, daughter of Henry Hunt and Mary. She was born before 18 Jan 1756 in South Bersted, Sussex, England⁹. She died in 1822 in Sussex, England¹². More About Thomas Goldring: Christening: 08 May 1757 in Rogate, Sussex, England¹⁰


	More About Grace Hunt: Christening: 18 Jan 1756 in South Bersted, Sussex, England⁹
	Thomas Goldring and Grace Hunt had the following children:
	13.	i.	RICHARD⁷ GOLDRING¹² was born before 20 Apr 1777 in South Bersted, Sussex, England. He died in 1849 in England¹². He married MARY POLLINGTON on 22 Sep 1807 in South Bersted, Sussex, England¹⁴. She was born in 1776 in England¹⁵. She died in 1849 in England¹⁵.


	14.	ii.	THOMAS GOLDRING¹² was born before 04 Jan 1778 in South Bersted, Sussex, England. He died on 24 Dec 1853 in South Bersted, Sussex, England. He married HANNAH HESSINGTON on 18 Jun 1801 in South Bersted, Sussex, England¹⁴. She was born in 1781 in Eastham, Merseyside, USA¹⁶. She died after 1851 in South Bersted, Sussex, England¹⁷.


	15.	iii.	LUCY GOLDRING was born before 25 Jul 1779 in South Bersted, Sussex, England. She died between Jan-Mar 1865 in Westhampnett, Parham, Sussex, England¹⁸. She married JAMES HART on 08 Oct 1800 in Pagham, Sussex, England^{19, 20}. He was born in 1771 in Sussex, England. He died before 1841 in Pagham, Sussex, England²¹.


	16.	iv.	JAMES GOLDRING²² was born in 1780 in South Bersted, Sussex, England²³. He died on 23 Aug 1864 in Dumfries South, Brant, Ontario, Canada²³. He married SARAH PRATT on 20 May 1809 in South Bersted, Sussex, England¹⁴. She was born in 1788 in Sussex, England²³. She died on 02 Jan 1865 in Dumfries South, Brant, Ontario, Canada²³.


	17.	v.	EDMUND GOLDRING was born before 11 Feb 1781 in South Bersted, Sussex, England⁹. He died in Dec 1857 in Westhampnett, Parham, Sussex, England²⁴. He married AMY BASON on 30 Jul 1807 in South Bersted, Sussex, England^{14, 25}. She was born about 1789 in Parham, Sussex, England. She died in Dec 1862 in Westhampnett, Parham, Sussex, England²⁶.


		vi.	JENNY GOLDRING was born before 17 Sep 1786 in South Bersted, Sussex, England⁹. More About Jenny Goldring: Christening: 17 Sep 1786 in South Bersted, Sussex, England⁹
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	18.	vii.	ELIZABETH GOLDRING was born before 29 Jan 1789 in South Bersted, Sussex, England⁹. She married WILLIAM WITHINGTON on 04 Nov 1809 in South Bersted, Sussex, England¹⁴.


	19.	viii.	HENRY GOLDRING was born before 18 Sep 1791 in South Bersted, Sussex, England⁹. He died in Ontario, Canada. He married MARY ANN RAYNER on 08 Nov 1819 in South Bersted, Sussex, England¹⁴. She was born in 1802 in Ireland²⁷. She died in Ontario, Canada.


		ix.	RUTH GOLDRING was born before 21 Sep 1794 in South Bersted, Sussex, England⁹. She died on 27 Oct 1794 in South Bersted, Sussex, England⁹. More About Ruth Goldring: Christening: 21 Sep 1794 in South Bersted, Sussex, England⁹
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		x.	GEORGE GOLDRING was born before 25 Dec 1796 in South Bersted, Sussex, England⁹. He died in 1852 in Ontario, Canada. He married ELIZABETH. More About George Goldring: Christening: 25 Dec 1796 in South Bersted, Sussex, England⁹ Notes for George Goldring: Another interesting enigma that currently goes unanswered in my mind, is George [1796]. He presumably married an Elizabeth (Betsey) and emigrated to Canada in 1845, was on the 1851 Census and died in 1852. The intriguing thing here is a Mrs. Joan Bryant [1918], born in England, daughter of a George Goldring, claims George [1796] is a direct ancestor of hers (in fact she has a portrait of him in her home), she claimed. She and her husband immigrated to Canada in 1957 and settled in Kitchener. She spent 6 years in the seventies researching the Canadian Goldring's, but was never able to establish a link to George [1796]. She was apparently corresponding with deceased cousin Don, as well as Warren Goldring and other Ontario Goldring's during these years, as much of Don's Goldring material came from this Joan Bryant. If George [1796] emigrated to Canada in 1845, I don't see how Joan could be a descendant of him, if she only arrived in Canada in 1957, unless George [1796] & Betsey had children in England and left them behind when emigrating to Canada, which would seem rather odd, so the whole business remains an enigma. In any case, we owe her a debt of gratitude for the time and effort she put in gathering together Ontario Goldring history. Thomas Deeth [tsdeeth( at )telus. net]
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12.	ELIZABETH⁶ GOLDRING (Joseph⁵, Hendrie⁴, Richard³, Richard², Christopher¹)¹ was born in 1760 in Sussex, England. She married (1) JAMES TIPPER on 27 Nov 1781 in Sussex, England¹. She married (2) JOHN KNIGHT on 29 Jan 1781 in Rogate, Sussex, England¹³.

	James Tipper and Elizabeth Goldring had the following child:
		i.	JOHN⁷ TIPPER¹ was born in 1790 in Sussex, England.
			JOHN⁷ TIPPER¹ was born in 1790 in Sussex, England.


Generation 7

13.	RICHARD⁷ GOLDRING (Thomas⁶, Richard⁵, Hendrie⁴, Richard³, Richard², Christopher¹)¹² was born before 20 Apr 1777 in South Bersted, Sussex, England. He died in 1849 in England¹². He married MARY POLLINGTON on 22 Sep 1807 in South Bersted, Sussex, England¹⁴. She was born in 1776 in England¹⁵. She died in 1849 in England¹⁵. More About Richard Goldring: Christening: 20 Apr 1777 in South Bersted, Sussex, England⁹ Census: 1841


	More About Mary Pollington: Census: 1841 Notes for Mary Pollington: Is this her? Christening: 29 DEC 1776 Frant, Sussex, England Parents: Father: THOMAS POLLINGTON Mother: RUTH K148461 1543 - 1881 1067357 Film NONE
	Richard Goldring and Mary Pollington had the following children:
		i.	JOHN⁸ GOLDRING¹² was born before 07 Mar 1808 in South Bersted, Sussex, England. More About John Goldring: Christening: 07 Mar 1808 in South Bersted, Sussex, England⁹ Notes for John Goldring: it's rumoured John was deported to Australia Goldring, John William Metcalfe Portsmouth 1834 May 24 Hobart Town 1834 Sep 3 Goldring, John Tried 30/Dec/1833 Sussex Quarter Session convict: Sentence 7 years, Record John Goldring-Age 24 Trade Plough, Reap & Sow Native Place Bognor, Sussex Height (without shoes) 5’ 8" Complexion Dark Head Small Hair Brown Whiskers Brown Visage Oval Forehead M.H Eyebrows Brown Eyes D. Grey Nose Long Mouth Small Chin M Remarks None GOLDRING John William Metcalfe 4/9/1834 Sussex ___? 30/12/1833 Transported for felony Gaol report several times in Gaol before. Hulk report orderly. Single. Stated this offence stealing a shawl, tried with Charles Tapner 4 times imprisoned before for assault 4 months 2 month and 3 months. Single surgeons report orderly 13/12/1836 Const/Neglect of Duty, 24/4/1837 Const/Drunk Reprimanded/ 11/11/1837 Const/Insolence __ _____ ? - to be removed to a distant District (MCF) To be transported to the District of Bothwell 26/5/1838 FP Constables/Disorderly conduct in Being at a Public house Reprimanded/ 16/7/1838 Constable/Misconduct. Six months hard labour and dismissed the Police/ 16/9/1839 Johnson/Insolence one week in a cell 13/_/1840 Major Newman/Insolence and making use of improper threats that he would notwork unless he had a pair of trousers. _________ to his ________ ___ 4/5/1840 Cu___/Refusing to work - Discharged 2/7/1840Th/ Being on the premises of Mr. C________ with suspicious circumstances- Total suspended and kept to ____________ on the _____ 6 months/??? 24/8/1840 Judge ____/ Stealing one pig of the value of 2 (pounds) the property of W. Neville acquitted/ Free Certificate no 31 ?1841 As you can see there are one or two bits that still need to be deciphered. In 1844 he applied for permission to marry whilst still in Van Diemans Land. After this I can find no further record of him leaving VDL, or on censuses or as having a family It was actually Mary Hanlon who applied to marry John in 1844- because she herself was a Convict. (Female convists were encouraged to find a husband so that they were less of a demand on authorities). Many convicts were not kept in prisons as we know them today and were sent out to work for persons around Van Diemans Land where ever possible. So they obviously met outside prison walls. Further enquiries show that Mary Hanlon was convicted of a crime in Ireland and sentenced to transportation to VDL. She sailed from Dublin on 4/9/1842 on the convict vessel 'Waverley', arriving at Hobart Town on 15/12/1842. There is a file available on Mary at the Archives of Tasmania (Ref- CON 52/2p 71)- but as she is so remotely connected to my interests I will not for now be ordering in the file. It would however when the opportuntiy 'arrives' be nice to find out a bit more about her- given they were both convicts/ex-convicts im sure you will agree. Maybe in due course I will look further into these two.? Further on Johns convict file- its very difficlut to read, but I have managed to transcribe most of it. On some of the early entries when in VDL and he was reported for various infringments etc. Some of the early entries begin with 'Constable/' - on looking into this further on the weekend I read that some convicts were made police constables - mostly prisoners of the crown were selected from convict ships to assist in the recognition of fellow prisoners should they escape- and the constables were rewarded accordingly. Indeed this system proved somewhat successful when hunting down escaped convicts. Indeed a great many early police constables on VDL were convicts or ticket of leave men, although in later years it appears the convicts had at least to pass their probation period (usually 6 months or more), anf later the regulations were tightened even more and a convict had to have obtained their Ticket of Leave before being considered for the police force.. Most frustratiing though is that I can find no later records of John or Mary- the VDL/Tasmanian records are fairly comprehensive- I cannot find them leaving the Island either............. There are so many speculative thoughts and ideas that I could persue further here....Regards Conrad
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	20.	ii.	GRACE GOLDRING¹² was born before 19 Mar 1809 in South Bersted, Sussex, England. She married WILLIAM GREEN on 29 Oct 1832 in South Bersted, Sussex, England¹⁴. He was born in 1806 in Aucton, Sussex, England.


		iii.	CHARLES GOLDRING¹² was born before 14 Dec 1810 in South Bersted, Sussex, England. More About Charles Goldring: Christening: 14 Dec 1810 in South Bersted, Sussex, England⁹
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14.	THOMAS⁷ GOLDRING (Thomas⁶, Richard⁵, Hendrie⁴, Richard³, Richard², Christopher¹)¹² was born before 04 Jan 1778 in South Bersted, Sussex, England. He died on 24 Dec 1853 in South Bersted, Sussex, England. He married HANNAH HESSINGTON on 18 Jun 1801 in South Bersted, Sussex, England¹⁴. She was born in 1781 in Eastham, Merseyside, USA¹⁶. She died after 1851 in South Bersted, Sussex, England¹⁷. More About Thomas Goldring: Christening: 04 Jan 1778 in South Bersted, Sussex, England⁹ Census: 1851¹⁶


	More About Hannah Hessington: Census: 1851¹⁶
	Thomas Goldring and Hannah Hessington had the following children:
	21.	i.	FRANCIS⁸ GOLDRING¹⁵ was born before 10 Jan 1802 in South Bersted, Sussex, England. He married (1) LUCY CHEESMAN in Brighton, Sussex, England¹⁵. He married (2) MARY FOLLET in Brighton, Sussex, England.


	22.	ii.	HARRIOTT GOLDRING was born before 11 Nov 1804 in South Bersted, Sussex, England. She married JOSEPH ISAAC in 1822. He was born in 1796 in Sussex, England²⁸.


	23.	iii.	CHARLOTTE GOLDRING was born before 28 Jun 1807 in South Bersted, Sussex, England. She married THOMAS MARNER on 28 Jun 1832¹². He was born in 1805¹².


	24.	iv.	FREDERICK GOLDRING¹² was born before 15 Mar 1812 in South Bersted, Sussex, England. He died on 18 Feb 1887. He married (1) SARAH CHARMAN in 1836¹². She was born about 1810. She died on 04 Jan 1865. He married (2) HANNAH JOINER on 29 Jun 1865. She was born about 1840. She died on 05 Oct 1891.


		v.	CHARLES GOLDRING was born before 25 Sep 1814 in South Bersted, Sussex, England. More About Charles Goldring: Christening: 25 Sep 1814 in South Bersted, Sussex, England⁹
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15.	LUCY⁷ GOLDRING (Thomas⁶, Richard⁵, Hendrie⁴, Richard³, Richard², Christopher¹) was born before 25 Jul 1779 in South Bersted, Sussex, England. She died between Jan-Mar 1865 in Westhampnett, Parham, Sussex, England¹⁸. She married JAMES HART on 08 Oct 1800 in Pagham, Sussex, England^{19, 20}. He was born in 1771 in Sussex, England. He died before 1841 in Pagham, Sussex, England²¹. More About Lucy Goldring: Christening: 25 Jul 1779 in South Bersted, Sussex, England⁹ Census: 1841 Census: 1861

	James Hart and Lucy Goldring had the following children:
		i.	LUCY⁸ HART¹⁹ was born on 06 Apr 1801 in Pagham, Sussex, England.



		ii.	JAMES HART¹⁹ was born on 03 Jun 1803 in Pagham, Sussex, England. He died on 26 May 1804 in Pagham, Sussex, England¹⁹.
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		iii.	MARY HART¹⁹ was born on 15 Sep 1805 in Pagham, Sussex, England.
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	25.	iv.	CHARLOTTE HART¹⁹ was born before 10 Apr 1810 in Pagham, Sussex, England¹. She married EDWARD HOWARD on 20 Jul 1834 in Pagham, Sussex, England²⁹. He was born in 1816 in Pagham, Sussex, England²⁸.


		v.	HARRIET HART¹⁹ was born on 05 Dec 1812 in Pagham, Sussex, England.



		vi.	JANE HART¹⁹ was born on 25 Mar 1815 in Pagham, Sussex, England.



		vii.	ELIZA HART¹⁹ was born on 10 Jun 1817 in Pagham, Sussex, England. She married JOHN WATTS COLE on 30 May 1847 in Pagham, Sussex, England²⁹.
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		viii.	EMILY HART¹⁹ was born on 11 Feb 1820 in Pagham, Sussex, England. More About Emily Hart: Census: 1841²⁸
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		ix.	ANN HART¹⁹ was born on 10 Dec 1822 in Pagham, Sussex, England. She died on 02 Jan 1826 in Pagham, Sussex, England¹⁹.
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		x.	CHARLES HART¹⁹ was born on 12 Aug 1825 in Pagham, Sussex, England. More About Charles Hart: Census: 1841
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16.	JAMES⁷ GOLDRING (Thomas⁶, Richard⁵, Hendrie⁴, Richard³, Richard², Christopher¹)²² was born in 1780 in South Bersted, Sussex, England²³. He died on 23 Aug 1864 in Dumfries South, Brant, Ontario, Canada²³. He married SARAH PRATT on 20 May 1809 in South Bersted, Sussex, England¹⁴. She was born in 1788 in Sussex, England²³. She died on 02 Jan 1865 in Dumfries South, Brant, Ontario, Canada²³. More About James Goldring: Christening: 26 Oct 1783 in South Bersted, Sussex, England⁹ Immigration: 08 May 1832 Census: 1851²⁷ Burial: Maus Methodist Paris Plains Church Cemetery, Dumfries South, Brant, Ontario, Canada Grave Reference: 4 Lot 27 Notes for James Goldring: James Goldring and Sarah Pratt children Came over 08 May 1832 and landed 15 June 1832 James son of Thomas was convicted in Bognor, Sussex in 1827 of stealing and smuggling six gallons of brandy and fined 100 pounds. The actual reason James and younger brother, Henry emigrated, was because both families were on relief and were a financial drain on the town coffers of the local parish. The South Bersted town councillors paid 80 pounds towards their passage to York, Upper Canada in 1832. James Goldring Year: 1832 Place: Canada Source Publication Code: 4915. 5 Primary Immigrant: Goldring, James Annotation: Page numbers added by indexers. Source Bibliography: McCANN, ALISON. Emigrants and Transportees from West Sussex, 1778-ca. 1874. (Lists and Index, 9. ) Chichester, Sussex: West Sussex Record Office, 1980. [18p. ] Page: 3 West Sussex Record Office: Archives Catalogue Catalogue Reference MP 1705 Title Copy of a letter Description From J.S. and W. Goldring in Upper Canada to their uncle Thomas Goldring of South Bersted, 1833 Catalogue Reference Add Mss 1476 Title Smuggling offences Date 1826-1827 Notes of Evidence of James Kemp Ballard, assistant surgeon on H.M.S. Hyperion, belonging to the Coast Blockade stationed at Bognor, against James Goldring, for smuggling brandy. [Prisoner convicted: penalty £100.] 30 24 September, 1827 Information of William Wilson preferred against James Goldring of Pagham, for unlawfully carrying 6 gallons of brandy. Arrested by John Hasler Hilby 31 29 September, 1827 Affidavit of Charles Green of St. Bartholomew, Chichester, Excise Officer, that he suspects contraband spirit is stored in the house of James Sims of Hunston Catalogue Reference Par 19/12/1 Extent 1 vol.; ff.134; parchment binding Title Vestry minute book Date 1826-1837 16 February, 23 November 1832; ff.66v-103v. [discontinuous] minutes concerning emigration: application from James and Henry Goldring, and J. Joyce and their families to emigrate to America; raising of funds and formation of a committee to make all arrangements; agreement to pay, 78 into a bank in Montreal as an initial fund for the emigrants on their arrival; dismissal of requests from parishioners to emigrate etc., 16 March 1832 -


	More About Sarah Pratt: Immigration: 1832 Census: 1851²⁷ Burial: Maus Methodist Paris Plains Church Cemetery, Dumfries South, Brant, Ontario, Canada Notes for Sarah Pratt: Is this her? Christening: 19 MAR 1786 Singleton, Sussex, England Parents: Father: WILLIAM PRATT Mother: ANN Source Information: Batch No. : Dates: Source Call No. : Type: Printout Call No. : Type: C071062 1637 - 1638 0416749, 0918257 Film
	James Goldring and Sarah Pratt had the following children:
	26.	i.	JAMES HENRY⁸ GOLDRING³⁰ was born before 01 Apr 1810 in South Bersted, Sussex, England⁹. He died on 21 Jan 1885 in Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada³¹. He married ANNE WELLWOOD on 02 Nov 1840 in St. James Cathedral, Toronto, Ontario, Canada³². She died in Ontario, Canada³³.


	27.	ii.	WILLIAM GOLDRING was born before 19 Apr 1812 in South Bersted, Sussex, England. He died on 12 Apr 1891 in Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada³¹. He married (1) MATILDA ANN KIVELL about 1853 in Etobicoke, Ontario, Canada³⁴. She was born in 1834 in Canada³⁵. She died on 14 May 1865 in Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada³⁶. He married (2) FANNY SMITHERS in 1835 in Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada¹⁵. She died about 1851 in York, Ontario, Canada.


		iii.	MARY GOLDRING was born before 24 Apr 1814 in South Bersted, Sussex, England. She died before 1832 in South Bersted, Sussex, England³⁷. More About Mary Goldring: Christening: 24 Apr 1814 in South Bersted, Sussex, England
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	28.	iv.	FRANCES A. GOLDRING³⁸ was born on 12 Feb 1817 in South Bersted, Sussex, England²². She died on 26 Dec 1893 in Blenheim, Oxford, Ontario, Canada³¹. She married JOHN SHANNON on 06 Dec 1837 in Dumfries South, Brant, Ontario, Canada, son of David Shannon and Jane. He was born on 31 Aug 1806 in Copetown, Wentworth, Ontario, Canada³⁹. He died in 1877 in Dumfries South, Brant, Ontario, Canada¹⁷.


	29.	v.	ELEANOR GOLDRING was born before 19 Aug 1821 in South Bersted, Sussex, England⁹. She died on 02 May 1890 in Paris, Brant, Ontario, Canada. She married FORDAS COWLES on 13 Apr 1847 in Wesleyan Methodist Church, Gore, Ontario, Canada. He was born in 1825 in USA⁴⁰. He died before 1881 in Paris, Brant, Ontario, Canada⁴¹.


	30.	vi.	MICHAEL GOLDRING⁴² was born on 02 Aug 1823 in South Bersted, Sussex, England. He died on 19 Aug 1874 in Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada³¹. He married SARAH O'HOLLORAN in Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada. She was born in 1838 in Ireland⁴³. She died on 16 Mar 1880 in Toronto General Hospital, Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada³¹.


	31.	vii.	GEORGE GOLDRING¹⁵ was born before 02 Oct 1825 in South Bersted, Sussex, England. He died between 1880-1890 in Richland, Illinois, USA³³. He married (1) ELIZABETH NEWMAN in 1852 in Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada¹⁵. She was born in 1831 in England²⁷. She died about 1864 in Richland, Illinois, USA¹⁷. He married (2) NANCY on 25 Oct 1865 in Richland, Illinois, USA⁴⁴. She was born in 1845 in Tennessee, USA.


		viii.	EDMUND GOLDRING was born before 01 Jun 1828 in South Bersted, Sussex, England. He died on 13 Apr 1832 in South Bersted, Sussex, England⁹. More About Edmund Goldring: Christening: 01 Jun 1828 in South Bersted, Sussex, England⁹
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17.	EDMUND⁷ GOLDRING (Thomas⁶, Richard⁵, Hendrie⁴, Richard³, Richard², Christopher¹) was born before 11 Feb 1781 in South Bersted, Sussex, England⁹. He died in Dec 1857 in Westhampnett, Parham, Sussex, England²⁴. He married AMY BASON on 30 Jul 1807 in South Bersted, Sussex, England^{14, 25}. She was born about 1789 in Parham, Sussex, England. She died in Dec 1862 in Westhampnett, Parham, Sussex, England²⁶. More About Edmund Goldring: Christening: 11 Feb 1781 in South Bersted, Sussex, England⁹ Census: 1841²⁸ Census: 1851¹⁶


	More About Amy Bason: Census: 1851¹⁶ Census: 1861²⁸ Notes for Amy Bason: Living with daugher Martha on 1861 census
	Edmund Goldring and Amy Bason had the following children:
		i.	EDMUND⁸ GOLDRING was born before 29 May 1808 in South Bersted, Sussex, England. More About Edmund Goldring: Christening: 29 May 1808 in South Bersted, Sussex, England⁹
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		ii.	CHARLOTTE GOLDRING was born before 05 Mar 1810 in Pagham, Sussex, England. She married BENJAMIN HODGES between Jul-Sep 1839 in Brighton, Sussex, England⁴⁵. He was born in England³³. More About Charlotte Goldring: Christening: 05 Mar 1810 in Pagham, Sussex, England¹⁹ Notes for Charlotte Goldring: Is this her? Poor Law Record Reference Number: Par19/34/2/16/18,19 Parish: Bersted, South Order type: Bastardy order/bond Date: 18 Apr 1829 Parish ForeignParish 2 Subject Charlotte GOLDRING Single Other Edward Pratt Baker putative father Child Female GOLDRING
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	32.	iii.	JAMES GOLDRING was born before 28 Nov 1811 in Pagham, Sussex, England. He married CHARLOTTE RICHARDSON on 07 Sep 1833 in Pagham, Sussex, England³³, daughter of David Richardson and Sarah. She was born in 1815 in Sussex, England⁴⁶.


		iv.	ELIZABETH GOLDRING was born before 16 May 1814 in Pagham, Sussex, England. More About Elizabeth Goldring: Christening: 16 May 1814 in Pagham, Sussex, England¹⁹ Also Known As: Eliza
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	33.	v.	WILLIAM GOLDRING was born before 25 Jan 1817 in Pagham, Sussex, England. He married AMY. She was born in 1821 in Pagham, Sussex, England⁴⁷. She died in 1897 in England.


	34.	vi.	REUBEN GOLDRING was born before 08 Jun 1819 in Pagham, Sussex, England. He married HARRIET CHASE in Jun 1845 in Westhampnett, Sussex, England⁴⁸. She was born in 1822 in Pagham, Sussex, England. She died in Mar 1901 in Westhampnett, Parham, Sussex, England⁴⁹.


	35.	vii.	MIRIAM GOLDRING was born before 24 Oct 1821 in Pagham, Sussex, England. She married JAMES ETHERIDGE between Jul-Sep 1849 in Westhampnett, Pagham, Sussex, England⁵⁰. He was born in 1822 in Pagham, Sussex, England. He died between 1891-1901 in Pagham, Sussex, England⁵¹.


		viii.	MARTHA GOLDRING was born before 24 Oct 1821 in Pagham, Sussex, England. She died before 1829 in Pagham, Sussex, England⁵². More About Martha Goldring: Christening: 24 Oct 1821 in Pagham, Sussex, England¹⁹
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	36.	ix.	THOMAS GOLDRING was born before 22 Mar 1825 in Pagham, Sussex, England. He married SARAH KNOTT between Jan-Mar 1843 in Portsea Island, Hampshire, England⁵³.


	37.	x.	MARTHA GOLDRING¹⁶ was born in 1829 in Pagham, Sussex, England¹⁶. She married JOHN APPS between Jul-Sep 1852 in Westhampnett, Pagham, Sussex, England⁵⁴. He was born in 1828 in Pagham, Sussex, England. He died between 1881-1891 in Pagham, Sussex, England⁵⁵.


		xi.	FRANCIS GOLDRING was born before 19 Nov 1832 in Pagham, Sussex, England. He married ELIZABETH CHESSELL between Jul-Sep 1850 in Portsea Island, Hampshire, England⁵⁶. She was born in England³³. More About Francis Goldring: Christening: 19 Nov 1832 in Pagham, Sussex, England¹⁹ Census: 1841²⁸ Census: 1851¹⁶
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18.	ELIZABETH⁷ GOLDRING (Thomas⁶, Richard⁵, Hendrie⁴, Richard³, Richard², Christopher¹) was born before 29 Jan 1789 in South Bersted, Sussex, England⁹. She married WILLIAM WITHINGTON on 04 Nov 1809 in South Bersted, Sussex, England¹⁴. More About Elizabeth Goldring: Christening: 29 Jan 1789 in South Bersted, Sussex, England⁹

	William Withington and Elizabeth Goldring had the following children:
		i.	SINDENIER⁸ WHITTINGTON was born before 26 Jan 1817 in South Bersted, Sussex, England. More About Sindenier Whittington: Christening: 26 Jan 1817 in South Bersted, Sussex, England
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		ii.	ELEANOR WITTINGTON was born before 11 Jan 1824 in South Bersted, Sussex, England. More About Eleanor Wittington: Christening: 11 Jan 1824 in South Bersted, Sussex, England
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		iii.	CHARLES WHITTINGTON was born before 22 Jun 1828 in South Bersted, Sussex, England. More About Charles Whittington: Christening: 22 Jun 1828 in South Bersted, Sussex, England
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		iv.	EDMUND WHITTINGTON was born before 03 Apr 1831 in South Bersted, Sussex, England. More About Edmund Whittington: Christening: 03 Apr 1831 in South Bersted, Sussex, England
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19.	HENRY⁷ GOLDRING (Thomas⁶, Richard⁵, Hendrie⁴, Richard³, Richard², Christopher¹) was born before 18 Sep 1791 in South Bersted, Sussex, England⁹. He died in Ontario, Canada. He married MARY ANN RAYNER on 08 Nov 1819 in South Bersted, Sussex, England¹⁴. She was born in 1802 in Ireland²⁷. She died in Ontario, Canada. More About Henry Goldring: Christening: 18 Sep 1791 in South Bersted, Sussex, England⁹ Immigration: May 1832¹⁵ Census: 1851²⁷ Notes for Henry Goldring: James son of Thomas was convicted in Bognor, Sussex in 1827 of stealing and smuggling six gallons of brandy and fined 100 pounds. The actual reason James and younger brother, Henry emigrated, was because both families were on relief and were a financial drain on the town coffers of the local parish. The South Bersted town councillors paid 80 pounds towards their passage to York, Upper Canada in 1832.


	More About Mary Ann Rayner: Immigration: May 1832¹⁵ Census: 1851²⁷
	Henry Goldring and Mary Ann Rayner had the following children:
		i.	CHARLES⁸ GOLDRING¹⁵ was born before 29 Apr 1821 in South Bersted, Sussex, England. He died in Ontario, Canada³³. He married ELIZABETH A. She died on Unknown date in Ontario, Canada. More About Charles Goldring: Immigration: May 1832¹⁵ Notes for Charles Goldring: Charles was known to have married an Elizabeth [1822-]and they both show up on the 1871 Census, but neither of them on the 1881 Census. Have no knowledge of Charles's passing, but he shows up in the Toronto street directory in 1862 as a sailor, and as the proprietor of the Goldring Hotel, Esplanade in 1868. Thomas Deeth
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	38.	ii.	ELEANOR GOLDRING¹⁵ was born before 25 Dec 1823 in South Bersted, Sussex, England¹⁵. She died on 04 Jun 1907 in Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada. She married JOSEPH PEELER on 21 Nov 1839 in Christ Church, Mimico, Ontario, Canada, son of John Peeler and Margaret Houghton. He died on 21 Mar 1897 in Ontario, Canada.


		iii.	SAMUEL GOLDRING was born before 18 Dec 1825 in South Bersted, Sussex, England. He died in Ontario, Canada³³. More About Samuel Goldring: Christening: 18 Dec 1825 in South Bersted, Sussex, England Immigration: May 1832¹⁵ Notes for Samuel Goldring: Martha Emily Goldring - pure speculation here. The father could possibly be Samuel [1825-](10. ii). Samuel, we think, married an Ellen. In the Toronto street directories, he shows up as a butcher in 1862, a carter in 1863 and a mariner in 1868. Samuel & Ellen were probably the parents of Mary Louisa [1864-1864], #06879, who died at 8 weeks. This Martha Emily could well be a second daughter, born the following year, 1865. I've speculated on item #12859 , being the death record of Samuel [1825] (10. ii). I realize, the record indicates the birth was in Scotland, and at age 50, would make Samuel's birth date 1827, (not 1825), but perhaps it's close enough. Also, I think item #13879 could well be Samuel's wife, Ellen. Her passing at age 45, puts her birth date at about 1833, placing her squarely in the birth range as mother to both Martha Emily & Mary Louisa. Also, could item #19259, another Mary Louisa [1869-], possibly be a third daughter of this marriage? Thomas Deeth
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		iv.	ALFRED GOLDRING¹⁵ was born in 1827 in South Bersted, Sussex, England. He died in 1828 in South Bersted, Sussex, England¹⁵.
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		v.	EMMA GOLDRING was born before 21 Dec 1828 in South Bersted, Sussex, England. More About Emma Goldring: Christening: 21 Dec 1828 in South Bersted, Sussex, England Immigration: May 1832¹⁵
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		vi.	CAROLINE GOLDRING¹⁵ was born before 28 Aug 1831 in South Bersted, Sussex, England. She married JAMES SUTHERLAND. He was born in 1832. More About Caroline Goldring: Christening: 28 Aug 1831 in South Bersted, Sussex, England Immigration: May 1832¹⁵ Census: 1851²⁷
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		vii.	GEORGE GOLDRING¹⁵ was born in 1834 in Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada. He died before 1864 in Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada⁵⁷. He married JESSIE MANSON on 01 Jul 1858 in Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada⁵⁸, daughter of George Manson and Ann. She was born in 1838 in Scotland. More About George Goldring: Census: 1851²⁷
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Generation 8

20.	GRACE⁸ GOLDRING (Richard⁷, Thomas⁶, Richard⁵, Hendrie⁴, Richard³, Richard², Christopher¹)¹² was born before 19 Mar 1809 in South Bersted, Sussex, England. She married WILLIAM GREEN on 29 Oct 1832 in South Bersted, Sussex, England¹⁴. He was born in 1806 in Aucton, Sussex, England. More About Grace Goldring: Christening: 19 Mar 1809 in South Bersted, Sussex, England⁹ Census: 1881


	More About William Green: Census: 1881
	William Green and Grace Goldring had the following children:
	39.	i.	ELLEN GOLDRING⁹ GREEN was born in 1829 in South Bersted, Sussex, England¹². She married HENRY GUMBRELL on 20 Aug 1849 in Bognor, Sussex, England^{14, 59}. He was born in 1815 in Bognor, Sussex, England⁴⁷.


		ii.	FRANCES GREEN was born about 1831 in South Bersted, Sussex, England.



21.	FRANCIS⁸ GOLDRING (Thomas⁷, Thomas⁶, Richard⁵, Hendrie⁴, Richard³, Richard², Christopher¹)¹⁵ was born before 10 Jan 1802 in South Bersted, Sussex, England. He married (1) LUCY CHEESMAN in Brighton, Sussex, England¹⁵. He married (2) MARY FOLLET in Brighton, Sussex, England. More About Francis Goldring: Christening: 10 Jan 1802 in South Bersted, Sussex, England⁹


	Notes for Lucy Cheesman: Deaths Jun 1874 Goldring Lucy 73 Chichester 2b 232 Is this her?
	Francis Goldring and Lucy Cheesman had the following children:
		i.	LOUISE⁹ GOLDRING¹⁵ was born in 1831.
			LOUISE⁹ GOLDRING¹⁵ was born in 1831.


		ii.	KATHERINE GOLDRING¹⁵ was born in 1832.
			KATHERINE GOLDRING¹⁵ was born in 1832.


		iii.	WILLIAM GOLDRING¹⁵ was born in 1834.
			WILLIAM GOLDRING¹⁵ was born in 1834.


22.	HARRIOTT⁸ GOLDRING (Thomas⁷, Thomas⁶, Richard⁵, Hendrie⁴, Richard³, Richard², Christopher¹) was born before 11 Nov 1804 in South Bersted, Sussex, England. She married JOSEPH ISAAC in 1822. He was born in 1796 in Sussex, England²⁸. More About Harriott Goldring: Christening: 11 Nov 1804 in South Bersted, Sussex, England⁹ Census: 1841²⁸ Census: 1851¹⁶


	More About Joseph Isaac: Census: 1841²⁸ Census: 1851¹⁶
	Joseph Isaac and Harriott Goldring had the following children:
		i.	MARY⁹ ISAAC²⁸ was born in 1828 in South Bersted, Sussex, England²⁸. More About Mary Isaac: Census: 1841²⁸
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		ii.	CAROLINE ISAAC²⁸ was born in 1833 in South Bersted, Sussex, England²⁸. More About Caroline Isaac: Census: 1841²⁸ Census: 1851¹⁶
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		iii.	THOMAS A ISAAC¹⁶ was born in Feb 1851 in South Bersted, Sussex, England¹⁶. More About Thomas A Isaac: Census: 1851¹⁶
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23.	CHARLOTTE⁸ GOLDRING (Thomas⁷, Thomas⁶, Richard⁵, Hendrie⁴, Richard³, Richard², Christopher¹) was born before 28 Jun 1807 in South Bersted, Sussex, England. She married THOMAS MARNER on 28 Jun 1832¹². He was born in 1805¹². More About Charlotte Goldring: Christening: 28 Jun 1807 in South Bersted, Sussex, England⁹

	Thomas Marner and Charlotte Goldring had the following children:
		i.	ELIZABETH⁹ MARNER¹² was born in 1829 in South Bersted, Sussex, England.



	40.	ii.	FREDERICK MARNER was born in 1829 in Bognor, Sussex, England⁶⁰. He married EMMA PERRY in 1857. She was born in 1837 in Bognor, Sussex, England⁶⁰.


24.	FREDERICK⁸ GOLDRING (Thomas⁷, Thomas⁶, Richard⁵, Hendrie⁴, Richard³, Richard², Christopher¹)¹² was born before 15 Mar 1812 in South Bersted, Sussex, England. He died on 18 Feb 1887. He married (1) SARAH CHARMAN in 1836¹². She was born about 1810. She died on 04 Jan 1865. He married (2) HANNAH JOINER on 29 Jun 1865. She was born about 1840. She died on 05 Oct 1891. More About Frederick Goldring: Christening: 15 Mar 1812 in South Bersted, Sussex, England⁹

	Frederick Goldring and Sarah Charman had the following children:
		i.	GEORGE⁹ GOLDRING¹² was born in 1837.
			GEORGE⁹ GOLDRING¹² was born in 1837.


		ii.	ELLEN EMELINE GOLDRING¹² was born on 30 Aug 1863. She died on 11 Oct 1894.



	Frederick Goldring and Hannah Joiner had the following children:
	41.	iii.	FREDERICK THOMAS GOLDRING¹² was born on 07 Jan 1866. He died on 06 Jun 1948 in South Australia, Australia. He married JANE L. SCHEDLICH on 24 Dec 1890 in Christ Church, North Adelaide, South Australia⁶¹, daughter of Carl Gustav Schedlich and Ann Euphemia Linn. She was born on 20 Jan 1866. She died on 08 Sep 1953 in South Australia, Australia.


		iv.	HANNAH MARIA GOLDRING¹² was born on 25 Jun 1868. She died on 01 Apr 1937. She married ALFRED NELSON on 14 Apr 1892. He was born on 02 Nov 1866. He died on 05 Dec 1951.
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		v.	HARRIET LOUISA GOLDRING¹² was born on 24 Jan 1871. She died on 03 May 1917.



		vi.	ROSA LOUISA GOLDRING¹² was born on 05 Jul 1873. She died on 15 Dec 1958. She married ARTHUR H RAYMOND on 14 Apr 1892¹². He was born on 18 Dec 1865. He died on 21 Apr 1936.
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		vii.	FRANK CHARLES GOLDRING¹² was born on 27 Jan 1876. He died on 18 May 1960. He married (1) CHRISTINA L GROSSET on 23 Jun 1903. She was born on 03 Jan 1870. She died on 21 Jan 1921. He married (2) ETHEL MAY DAVIES on 15 Apr 1922¹². She was born on 15 Nov 1894. She died on 23 Jan 1971.
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		viii.	ALFRED CHARMAN GOLDRING was born on 09 Dec 1878. He died on 27 Aug 1953. He married RUTH PERRY JACKETT on 20 Mar 1918. She was born on 28 Dec 1890. She died on 30 Oct 1971.
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		ix.	ETHEL MAY GOLDRING¹² was born on 10 May 1881. She died on 14 Jul 1942. She married THOMAS P WILLASON on 09 Apr 1914. He was born on 19 Apr 1882. He died on 26 Jul 1939.
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25.	CHARLOTTE⁸ HART (Lucy⁷ Goldring, Thomas⁶ Goldring, Richard⁵ Goldring, Hendrie⁴ Goldring, Richard³ Goldring, Richard² Goldring, Christopher¹ Goldring)¹⁹ was born before 10 Apr 1810 in Pagham, Sussex, England¹. She married EDWARD HOWARD on 20 Jul 1834 in Pagham, Sussex, England²⁹. He was born in 1816 in Pagham, Sussex, England²⁸. More About Charlotte Hart: Census: 1841 Census: 1861 Census: 1871


	More About Edward Howard: Census: 1841 Census: 1861 Census: 1871
	Edward Howard and Charlotte Hart had the following children:
		i.	ANN⁹ HOWARD²⁸ was born in 1835 in Pagham, Sussex, England. More About Ann Howard: Census: 1861 Census: 1871
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		ii.	JAMES HOWARD²⁸ was born in 1839 in Pagham, Sussex, England. More About James Howard: Census: 1841²⁸
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26.	JAMES HENRY⁸ GOLDRING (James⁷, Thomas⁶, Richard⁵, Hendrie⁴, Richard³, Richard², Christopher¹)³⁰ was born before 01 Apr 1810 in South Bersted, Sussex, England⁹. He died on 21 Jan 1885 in Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada³¹. He married ANNE WELLWOOD on 02 Nov 1840 in St. James Cathedral, Toronto, Ontario, Canada³². She died in Ontario, Canada³³. More About James Henry Goldring: Christening: 01 Apr 1810 in South Bersted, Sussex, England⁹ Title: Captain Grave Reference: North Grave Of Lot 85 Section 8³⁵ Burial: St. James Cemetery, Toronto, Ontario, Canada


	More About James Henry Goldring and Anne Wellwood: Minister: H. J. GRASETT, B. A. Asst. Minister
	James Henry Goldring and Anne Wellwood had the following child:
	42.	i.	THOMAS E.⁹ GOLDRING was born on 21 Dec 1846 in Ontario, Canada⁶². He died on 16 Oct 1920 in Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada⁶³. He married FLORA ANN MCDONALD on 16 Dec 1872 in Collingwood, Simcoe, Ontario, Canada⁶⁴, daughter of Donald McDonald and Catherine. She was born on 15 Aug 1849 in Ontario, Canada⁶². She died on 18 Aug 1930 in Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada⁶³.


27.	WILLIAM⁸ GOLDRING (James⁷, Thomas⁶, Richard⁵, Hendrie⁴, Richard³, Richard², Christopher¹) was born before 19 Apr 1812 in South Bersted, Sussex, England. He died on 12 Apr 1891 in Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada³¹. He married (1) MATILDA ANN KIVELL about 1853 in Etobicoke, Ontario, Canada³⁴. She was born in 1834 in Canada³⁵. She died on 14 May 1865 in Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada³⁶. He married (2) FANNY SMITHERS in 1835 in Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada¹⁵. She died about 1851 in York, Ontario, Canada. More About William Goldring: Christening: 19 Apr 1812 in South Bersted, Sussex, England⁹ Census: 1851²⁷ Occupation:⁴⁰ Religion: Church of England, Anglican⁴⁶ Census: 1871 Occupation: Religion: Census: 1881 Title: Captain Cause Of Death: Paralysis Burial: St. James Cemetery, Toronto, Ontario, Canada³⁶ Grave Reference: Lot 120 Section 1 Notes for William Goldring: English Immigrant Voices: Page 114 and 115 James S. Goldring was 23 and his brother, William, was 19 when they emigrated in 1832 from South Bersted, a coastal parish, with their parents, James and Sarah (Pratt) Goldring, and their sister and brothers, Frances, Eleanor, Michael, George, and Edward. James Sr's brother, Henry also emigrated at the same time with his wife, Mary Ann (Rayner), and four children, Eleanor, Samuel, Emma, and Caroline. A James Goldring - either the father or the son - had in the past been fined for smuggling. The Goldring's settled on Lake Ontario near York (Toronto). Their first employment came from government: in October 1832, John Gamble reported James Sr, Henry, and James Fr. on his "List of Emigrants employed on the Lake Road. April 9th, 1833 Dear Uncle, I take the opportunity of writing to you, hoping to find you all in good health, as it leaves us all at present. But father has been very near of losing his life: he was ill for 6 months. It was in the autumn, and the doctor gave him over; but he is quite well now, and just begun sowing. We have taken a house, and bought 2 cows; and some hogs, but we have killed them. We have got 1 acre for a garden, and the garden runs down to Lake Ontario, were we can get fish, and ducks, if we have any time to spare. the pigeons go away in the winter, the same as the swallows; so when they first come, I can get a plenty of them: they are blue with a long tail. we have not got any land that will suit us yet; we fund the country just as that book was that Mr. Phillips* had; so we all like the country very well. We need not want to come back again at any rate. we have a very pleasant house, with a very large ball room at the top; we have had one ball since we have been here. Now I will tempt laundress women a little: they get from 2s. 65d to 3s. per dozen, for washing. It would have been a good job, if my aunt fanny had come with us. We live about 8 miles above York, Upper Canada. It is pleasant here now. We had not a very cold winter this winter; but it was colder than it is there; but we can get firing for nothing here, that is a fine thing. My brother James is hired out for one year, for L20. ; but that is a very low wages. I have a plenty of work at my trade, more than I can do very well. I can earn as much in one day, as I did there in a week; so we can afford to enjoy ourselves. There is no good beer in (this) country' but there is some very good grog; and we can sit down and rink it, as well as Mr. R. A. Esp. We have nobody to run over us here, and to order us out of their fields. We can take our gun, and go a deer hunting, when we likes; so we hope all that can come, will have heart enough. We have not seen (Thomas) Joice, nor heard from him; for he had 50 acres of land gave him on account of his being an old soldier. Any old soldier can get land if he seek for it. We saw Mr. R. Wonham last summer, but he is come back to England to fetch his family; but he left his eldest boy here, at the collage, until he return. (John) Hollis, the tailor, is in York, doing very well. My uncle Harry has took a house and 3 acres of land. C. Raynor is hired in a saw mill; I think he will get on after a bit. I should be glad if you could find out Stowe's directions, or any one else that we know. I have sent two letters before, but I don't think that you ever had them. If you come, board yourselves if you can; bring cheese, red herrings, a little brandy, and bacon. But you will wish yourselves back again when you are sea sick; but keep up your spirits. So no more at present from your well wishing friends. J. S. and W. Goldring Direct your letter J. Goldring York Upper Canada Remember us to all enquiring friends and tell grandmother to expect a letter in about a week For Thomas Goldring Southbersted near Chichester Sussex (They were probably in Etobicoke. In 1837 a Henry Gouldring was on lot 12 broken front concession Etobicoke Township (Directory of Toronto and Home district) Thomas and Reachel Joice (Joyes) and their five children emigrated from South Bested in 1832. The Collage is possibly Upper Canada collage, founded in 1829 by Lieutenant Governor Colborne John Hollis emigrated with his wife and their four children from Felpham, West Sussex, in 1832 "Henry and James both evidently continued to live west of Toronto in Etobicoke. James was still there in 1851. In the 1851 census for Etobicoke, James Sr. and Sarah gave their ages as 69 and 65. A James Goldring, probably Jr., is reported as a sailor or mariner in Toronto directories in the decade from 1846 to 1857; there is also a James Goldring who was a labourer in the 1851 census. " Would this be the one for whom you found the death registration? who was buried in St. James Cemetery? "William Goldring is described in the 1851 census as a widower, aged 40, working as a shoemaker and living on 2-3 acres on lot D, concession 1, Etobicoke. By 1888, he had a brick house at 75 Duke St, Toronto. William died in 1891 leaving an estate of $56,000. " The Junior League of the Gay Nineties- A William Goldring arrived in Toronto, Canada from Sussex ch was a William Goldring who emigrated to Canada from Sussex. The following is taken from C. H. J Sniders� story in the magazine - in 1823 when he was a mere lad of fourteen. He first learned shoemaking and liked shoemaking all his days but he became a vessel owner. Up to and past the start of the 20th century there existed schoonerdom around Toronto, a sort of �junior league� of vessels of about 100 tons burden, too small to carry grain, coal or timber in the competition with the seniors leaguers of "Old Canallers" which ran up to 800 tons. however these vessels were capable of making long voyages and often did so all over the Lake for cargoes, some of them seemed too good for the sand, stone and gravel trade known as stone-hooking to which they finally turned- for this was the preserve of little fellows of twenty tons and up, some of them ex-yatchs, many, scows that carried most of their cargoes on deck and a few of them large schooners, too feeble to be trusted with full cargoes of more valuable freight. The �stone-hookers� formed a tatterdemalion company with sails that looked like last winters overcoats after a hard Summer with the moths, or which had been patched up so much that their original texture had disappeared. The hulls of these relics were often held together with strips of tin tacked over the leaky seams to keep the oakum in and the water out, and the only paint some of them knew was put on with a tarbrush. In shining contrast were half a dozen 100 tonners hailing from Toronto which did not disdain to compete with the ragamuffins for the stone trade when they could not get the odd remaining freight or coal for some out of the way port, or a picnic party to take away for a fortnights cruise. These little beauties were not in the hands of the big vessel men, who had come down on their luck, invariably they were owned and worked by men whose boyhood had been spent on the simplicities and hardships of stone-hooking. Noticeably the smartness even among the junior leaguers in 1900 were three or four vessels which formed the Goldring fleet. This was not a Corporation unit. It was a monument to individual enterprise and hard work, and its history winds through a century via Toronto, Mimico, Etobicoke, Toronto again and ultimately Port Whitby. William Goldring (above) had wharf in Toronto at the foot of Frederick Street, Curries wharf it was called with warehousing and storage space in it, and thither the Goldring fleet plied their trade. He also had a ten roomed house at 75 Duke Street which is now a factor. After his death in 1890, about 1890, his sons Edward, Richard, Frank and Charles concentrated on Port Whitby with their vessels. an elder son John, who had settled in Toronto a long time, continued to use this port for his schooner named �Helen�. He had a home here and a farm near Bowmanville. The Goldring fleet at one time numbered five vessels, the �Mary Ann�, the �Helen�, the �H. M. Ballou�, the �Northwest� and the �Maple Leaf�. That was the greatest number that was in the fleet at any one time, but several other vessels were in and out of it, for a long time it was a �one ship fleet� starting with an American schooner named �Ploughboy� which had been seized and sold as a smuggler in 1836. She was through with all that before the first Goldring had anything to do with her. Later there was the scow �Betsey� a floating home for a family of eight, and the �Jenny Lind� with a square topsail, as typical of her time as Jenny Lind�s own crinoline. Then John, the eldest boy, struck out on his own and came back form Lake Eric in 1873 with the two masted scow �John Pudsley� which he rebuilt as a schooner and renamed the �Helen�. William Goldring, the father, exchanged the old �Jenny Lind� for the new �Mary E. Ferguson�, and young Dick, seventeen, but already twelve years the sailor, walked her deck as Captain. Brother Ted, a few years Dicks� senior, had in turn the �Belle of Dunbarton�, and the �Marcia A. Hall�, and the �Ballou� and possibly the �Mary Ann� or the �Parthenon� whose place in the Goldring fleet is uncertain. By the end of the 19th century, the �Parthenon� had been bought by the McDonald family, well known on the West shore of the Prince Edward County, and rebuilt, until, according to the late Amos McDonald, County Warden, "there was nothing left of the original but her hickory jib-boom". She was renamed the �Robert McDonald" but she still looked very much like the smart �Maple Leaf� or the �H. M. Balloi� or the �Northwest� int the Goldring fleet of the gay nineties. John Goldring steered a course pretty much by himself through boyhood, he often sailed the �Helen � alone. He put a (------)? on her forward and a gasoline engine aft for easier handling. He was sailing the �Helen� single handed although he was over seventy, and she was a handful for three when he lost her between the rocks on Bluff Point at Port Oshawa in 1922, fifty years after he had brought her down from Lake Eric. The �Northwest�, built in Bronte in 1882 according to the register, was sailed for many years by Ted Goldring and his brother Frank. She was about the same size as the �Maple Leaf�, 75ft. long deck, 20ft. beam, 6ft. depth according to the book, but she registered 57 tons to the �Maple Leaf�s 59. She was straighter at the stem, less of a clipper but sailed well. There was always great rivalry among the �Highland Beauty�, �H. M. Ballou�, �Northwest�, �Maple Leaf�, �Parthenon�, �Newsboy�, �Madeline�, and �Rapid City� no matter who owned or sailed them for they were all built for speed, most by the Dorland Bros. in Bronte or James Andrew in Oakville. The �Highland Beauty� was an ex-steam-yatch and the �Ballou� an American bottom built at Oak Orchard. The �Rapid City�, a Dorland number, named for a little place in Manitoba to make her go fast, was sailed at the time by Charles Goldring the youngest in the family. The �Helen� was not a clipper like these, but a good carrier, as said, usually ploughed a line furrow. She got a freight of grain out of Whitby as late as 1893, and barley from Burlington, and occasionally apples or the odd freight of coal, but usually her cargo was stone or gravel. The �Northwest� last heard of in Chicago as a camp cruiser is the sole survivor of the junior league, and is believed to be positively the last of the Lake Schooners which were once a thousand strong. The �Maple Leaf� was wrecked in the St. Lawrence in 1926, the �Helen� went out in 1922. The �Newsboy� was by that time a hulk and was broken up in Ashcroft Bay, where she had been a houseboat. The �Rapid City� with a new gasoline engine, and new ownership, went down off the Highlands in 1917, the �Madeline� had been sunk in Port Credit by this time. The �Ballou� had been burned at Bellville in 1907, the �Snowbird� sunk in the ice in Toronto bay in 1904, and is there yet. The �Highland Beauty�, sold to the eastwar burst with a cargo of swelling peas when she hit the breakwater at Cape St. Vincent in about 1903, the �Robert McDonald� was burned, the P. E. Young was blown up at the exhibition in 1898. The �Jessie McDonald� mistook the light at Whitby and left her bones beside the breakwater in 1893 and at about the same time the �Marcia A. Hall� sank on the South shore or crawled into the boneyard at Port Dalhousie to die. The �Mary Ann�, not a junior leaguer but an out and out scow was dismantled at Whitby and the �Flora� was wrecked at Oakville in 1894. In 1873 Captain Gutcher purchased the schooner Belle, and sailed her three seasons, doing a general trading business on his own account, doing well. He then sold her to a Mr. Goldring, and joined the schooner David Sharp as mate. #26144 WILLIAM GOLDRING, 79, BORN ENGLAND, DIED IN TORONTO 12 APR 1891 OF PARALYSIS, INTERRED 14 APR, REV. WILLIAM GRANT OFFICIATING, IN THE NORTH GRAVE LOF Lot 120 Section 1 INSCRIPTION ON THE MONUMENT LOCATED ON Lot 120, Section 1 IN ST JAMES' CEMETERY: "CAPT. WM GOLDRING DIED APR 12 1891 AGED 79 YEARS RECORDS FOR THIS PLOT FOUND IN THE ST JAMES' REGISTERS:


	More About Matilda Ann Kivell: Census: 1851²⁷ Burial: 15 May 1865 in St. James Cemetery, Toronto, Ontario, Canada Grave Reference:³⁶ Also Known As: Annie Turvey Cause Of Death: Inflammation Of Chest³⁵ Notes for Matilda Ann Kivell: #7140 Matilda Goldring, 31 Years, Wife Of Wm Goldring, Born Canada, Died In Toronto 14 May 1865 Of Inflammation Of Chest, Interred 15 May, Rev. S. J. Boddy Officiating, In The 16th Grave North Of The Fence South Of Lot 92 Section M Matilda came into William's household as the housekeeper somewhere around the time of Ann Turvey's death. Matilda and William would have married after Ann's death (sometime after 1850 if Ann died in 1851). Matilda's son, George, took on the Goldring name & became know variously over the years as George Hermers Goldring, George Henry Goldring or George Hermers Henry Goldring. He's recorded on the 1901 Census as George Hmr Goldring. Of George [1851]'s 13 children, six of them (including 2 daughters), where given Henry as a second christian name. Thomas Deeth [tsdeeth( at )telus. net]
	William Goldring and Matilda Ann Kivell had the following children:
	43.	i.	GEORGE HENRY⁹ GOLDRING was born on 20 Apr 1851 in Georgetown, Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada⁶⁵. He died on 08 May 1931 in Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada³¹. He married (1) ELIZABETH SARGEANT on 12 Jul 1877 in Don Mount, York, Ontario, Canada⁶⁶, daughter of Walter Sargeant and Sarah Ann. She was born on 01 Apr 1858 in London, England⁶⁷. She died on 19 Mar 1919 in Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada³¹. He married (2) CHARLOTTE BAROLIS on 21 Jun 1920 in Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada⁶⁸, daughter of James Barolis and Harriet Sargent. She was born on 21 Feb 1856 in Montréal, Quebec, Canada⁶². She died on 10 Oct 1928 in Toronto, Ontario, Canada³¹.


		ii.	HARRIET GOLDRING was born in 1854 in Etobicoke Flats, Etobicoke, Ontario, Canada¹⁵. More About Harriet Goldring: Census: 1871 Census: 1871 Notes for Harriet Goldring: We think she was counted at home with Father William on 1871 census and at her sister Fanny house helping with children in Owen Sound. Fanny just gave birth.
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	44.	iii.	SARAH GOLDRING was born in 1856 in Etobicoke Flats, Etobicoke, Ontario, Canada⁶⁹. She died on 16 Mar 1889 in Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada^{31, 70}. She married JOSEPH WILLIAMS on 28 Sep 1880 in St. James Church, Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada⁶⁸, son of Joseph Williams and Jane. He was born on 18 Feb 1857 in Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada⁶⁹.


	45.	iv.	EDMUND GOLDRING was born on 05 Jun 1857 in Etobicoke Flats, Etobicoke, Ontario, Canada²³. He died on 17 Feb 1937 in Oshawa General Hospital, Oshawa, Durham, Ontario, Canada⁷¹. He married (1) ELIZABETH CAROLINE SWAN on 28 Sep 1880 in St. James Church, Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada⁶⁸, daughter of John Oswald Swan and Mary Ann. She was born in 1860 in Flos, Simcoe, Ontario, Canada¹⁷. She died on 24 Apr 1889 in York, Ontario, Canada⁷². He married (2) MARY ELIZABETH THOMPSON STUTT on 03 Dec 1891 in St. George's Anglican, Newcastle, Ontario, Canada, daughter of Ralph Stutt and Mary Potts. She was born on 07 May 1863 in England²³. She died on 23 Mar 1934 in Whitby, Durham, Ontario, Canada⁷¹.


	46.	v.	RICHARD GOLDRING was born on 03 Aug 1859 in Etobicoke Flats, Etobicoke, Ontario, Canada²³. He died on 06 Oct 1945 in Whitby, Durham, Ontario, Canada⁷³. He married HARRIET ANN SWAN on 19 Mar 1884 in Craighurst, Vespra, Simcoe, Ontario, Canada⁶⁸, daughter of John Oswald Swan and Mary Ann. She was born on 01 Jan 1865 in Flos, Simcoe, Ontario, Canada⁶². She died on 02 Feb 1938 in Whitby, Durham, Ontario, Canada⁷³.


	47.	vi.	CHARLES GOLDRING⁶² was born on 15 Mar 1861 in Etobicoke Flats, Etobicoke, Ontario, Canada⁶². He died on 16 Aug 1926 in Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada³¹. He married MARTHA ANN TARRY on 29 Oct 1883 in Riverside, Ontario, Canada⁷⁴, daughter of Frederick William Tarry and Mary Ann. She was born on 16 Dec 1865 in Ontario, Canada⁶². She died on 16 Apr 1958 in Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada.


	48.	vii.	FRANCIS GOLDRING⁷⁵ was born on 15 Oct 1864 in Etobicoke Flats, Etobicoke, Ontario, Canada⁶². He died in 1939 in Whitby, Durham, Ontario, Canada⁷¹. He married MARY EMMA SWAN, daughter of John Oswald Swan and Mary Ann. She was born on 18 Feb 1868 in Flos, Simcoe, Ontario, Canada⁶². She died in 1947 in Whitby, Durham, Ontario, Canada⁷¹.


	More About Fanny Smithers: Also Known As: Annie Turvey Notes for Fanny Smithers: A family of Smithers were on the same boat that William and his family came over to Canada on. At the moment I'm inclined to lean toward Annie Smithers as William's first wife, and here's why. We have a printed record of daughter, Annie Jane's marriage which states her mother is Fannie Smithers. We have a printed record of son, George Henry's second marriage which states his mother is Ann Trvey (not Turvey). As Trvey is a most unlikely name, we are dealing hear with either an obvious typo, or whoever transcribe the written record had a difficult time deciphering the spelling of the name because it was somewhat illegible. I see a strong resemblance between the written names Trvey and Kivell. If you're writing the name Kivell and starting out with a scriptlike capital "K", then lightening up on the tail of the "K" as you come into the "iv", it could easily appear as an "rv", then the "e" and the double "ll" interpreted as a "y", thus the typed result ends up a "Trvey". Do you bye it? So, that's the first reason I lean to Fanny. Secondly, if I'm not mistaken, on George's second marriage certificate, he (or his brother Richard) indicates George's mother is Ann or Annie, not Fanny. George's older sibling's, John Henry [1845] & Annie Jane [1847] record "Fanny" as their mother. If we could dig up a copy of older brother, William [1843]'s marriage certificate in New York, USA, that may swing the pendulum. My gut feel is Ann Turvey never existed, that George's mother was in fact Matilda Ann Kivell (thus George & Richard's claim than Ann is his mother), while the older siblings mother is Fanny Smithers. Also, I've located an entry for a Fanny Smithers (born 1816, Seven Oaks, Kent, England) on the Family Search International Genealogical Index. She would make a pretty good fit for William's first wife, if she or her family emigrated to Ontario. On the same site, I can't locate an Ann Turvey record anywhere close to the timetable we're looking for. There's no trace of William's first wife's death record, nor is she intered in the family plot, seems rather odd
	William Goldring and Fanny Smithers had the following children:
	49.	viii.	WILLIAM I GOLDRING¹⁵ was born in 1843 in Ontario, Canada²⁷. He died about Apr 1898 in Sodus, Wayne, New York, USA⁷⁶. He married (1) ELIZA VOLENA about 1879 in New York, USA³. She was born in Nov 1843 in New York, USA⁷⁷. He married (2) SARAH about 1869³. She was born in 1843 in New York, USA⁷⁸.


	50.	ix.	JOHN HENRY GOLDRING was born on 15 Dec 1845 in Ontario, Canada⁶². He died in 1931 in Newcastle, Ontario, Canada²³. He married HELEN MONTGOMERY on 26 Feb 1877 in St. James Church, Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada⁷⁹, daughter of William Montgomery and Amelia Sturgeon. She was born on 30 May 1852 in Port Credit, Mississauga, Ontario, Canada⁶². She died on 25 Mar 1925 in Baseline, Newcastle, Ontario, Canada³¹.


	51.	x.	ANNIE JANE GOLDRING⁴⁰ was born on 17 Oct 1847 in Port Credit, Mississauga, Ontario, Canada⁶². She died on 17 Nov 1939 in Owen Sound, Grey, Ontario, Canada⁸⁰. She married ALEXANDER MCKENZIE on 07 Nov 1865 in Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada⁸¹, son of John McKenzie and Catherine McSeman. He was born on 15 Dec 1842 in Rosshire, Scotland⁶². He died on 31 Mar 1918 in Owen Sound, Grey, Ontario, Canada³¹.


28.	FRANCES A.⁸ GOLDRING (James⁷, Thomas⁶, Richard⁵, Hendrie⁴, Richard³, Richard², Christopher¹)³⁸ was born on 12 Feb 1817 in South Bersted, Sussex, England²². She died on 26 Dec 1893 in Blenheim, Oxford, Ontario, Canada³¹. She married JOHN SHANNON on 06 Dec 1837 in Dumfries South, Brant, Ontario, Canada, son of David Shannon and Jane. He was born on 31 Aug 1806 in Copetown, Wentworth, Ontario, Canada³⁹. He died in 1877 in Dumfries South, Brant, Ontario, Canada¹⁷. More About Frances A. Goldring: Christening: 09 Mar 1817 in South Bersted, Sussex, England Immigration: 1832 Census: 1851²⁷ Origin:⁴⁰ Religion: Wesleyan Methodist⁴⁰ Census: 1871 Religion: Methodist Census: 1881 Cause Of Death: La Grippe, 2 weeks Notes for Frances A. Goldring: Frances is a widow on the 1881 Census. She is living with her son George and her daughter Frances.


	More About John Shannon: Census: 1851²⁷ Occupation: Farmer⁴⁰ Origin: Irish⁴⁰ Census: 1871 Religion: Wesleyan Methodist⁴⁰ Burial: 1877 in Maus Methodist Paris Plains Church Cemetery, Dumfries South, Brant, Ontario, Canada Grave Reference: R 14 S 2³⁵ Notes for John Shannon: Warner and Beers History of Brant County 1883 Page 679 JOHN SHANNON (deceased) was one of the pioneer farmers of South Dumfries Township. He was born in Copetown, Ontario , 31st August, 1806, and his parents David and Jane Shannon, who carried on farming occupations, were natives of New Brunswick, from which province they moved to Copetown, where they resided until the death of David. The widow and family then moved into Dumfries, where she died. John, of whom this sketch is written, was united in marriage, 6th December, 1837, with Francis Goldring, daughter of James and Sarah Goldring, natives of England. Frances was born in that country, 12th February, 1817, and emigrated to Canada with her parents in 1832, when they settled in Toronto. Mr. Shannon was an adherent of the Methodist Church, and his widow is a member of the same body. He was educated at a common school, and when he started he bought 100 acres on which the widow and family now reside. He was looked upon in his life-time as one of the best and most successful farmers in Brant County. Mr. and Mrs. Shannon had a family of ten children, seven of whom survive, viz., Sarah J., Wife of William Laughlan; Ellen, wife of David Curry; James, married; John, married; Frances A. ; Joseph, married; and George. Edward, who was born 11th July, 1863, died 2nd May, 1880. George, the youngest son living, is at home, and manages the farm, and Frances A. assists her mother in the domestic duties of the homestead. BRANT, ONTARIO PARIS & AYR ROAD COMPANY - 1850 STOCKHOLDERS in 1850 to a joint stock company called The Paris and Ayr Road Company. The company was formed to build a road from the Dundas Road in the Village of Paris, extending to the Village of Ayr.
	John Shannon and Frances A. Goldring had the following children:
	52.	i.	SARAH JANE⁹ SHANNON^{82, 83} was born on 20 Oct 1838 in Dumfries South, Brant, Ontario, Canada^{83, 84}. She died on 07 Sep 1926 in 11 Hillcrest Park, Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada^{23, 31, 83}. She married WILLIAM LAUGHLEN on 11 Nov 1859 (Brantford, Brant, Ontario, Canada)^{82, 83}, son of James Laughlen and Mary Elizabeth Davey. He was born on 25 Nov 1835 in Ernestown, Lennox Addington, Ontario, Canada^{82, 83, 85}. He died on 13 Jan 1909 in Toronto General Hospital, Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada^{83, 85, 86}.


		ii.	HELENA SHANNON²⁷ was born in 1843 in Dumfries South, Brant, Ontario, Canada²⁷. She died between 1851-1871 in Dumfries South, Brant, Ontario, Canada³³. More About Helena Shannon: Census: 1851²⁷ Notes for Helena Shannon: No record of her except 1851 census. . . . not on John's bio, but does say ten children, seven of whom survive.
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	53.	iii.	JAMES SHANNON was born on 10 Aug 1844 in Dumfries South, Brant, Ontario, Canada³⁸. He died on 09 Jun 1900 in Lot 32, Con 1, Wentworth, Ontario, Canada³¹. He married (1) MARTHA ELMES on 02 Jan 1873 in Blenheim, Oxford, Ontario, Canada⁶⁸, daughter of Thomas Elmes and Martha. She was born in 1851 in Ontario, Canada. She died on 31 Dec 1878 in Blenheim, Oxford, Ontario, Canada³¹. He married (2) MARY E. CHESNEY on 12 Feb 1880 in Princeton, Blenheim, Oxford, Ontario, Canada⁶⁸, daughter of William Chesney and Mary. She was born on 02 Oct 1858 in Blenheim, Oxford, Ontario, Canada.


	54.	iv.	JOHN SHANNON⁴⁰ was born in 1848 in Dumfries South, Brant, Ontario, Canada¹⁷. He died after 1930 in Commerce, Oakland, Michigan, USA¹⁷. He married VIOLETTE K. in 1878⁸⁷. She was born in 1849 in Michigan, USA. She died between 1920-1930 in Commerce, Oakland, Michigan, USA¹⁷.


	55.	v.	ELEANOR SHANNON was born on 08 Jan 1848 in Dumfries South, Brant, Ontario, Canada³⁸. She died between 01 Sep 1883-11 Jan 1888 in Ontario, Canada⁸⁸. She married DAVID W. CURREY on 17 Sep 1868 in Brant, Ontario, Canada¹, son of David Currey and Hannah Slipp. He was born on 04 Feb 1834 in Ontario, Canada⁶². He died on 08 Dec 1902 in Burford, Brant, Ontario, Canada⁸⁹.


		vi.	FRANCES ANN SHANNON⁴⁰ was born on 18 Jun 1850 in Dumfries South, Brant, Ontario, Canada⁹⁰. She died on 12 Dec 1894 in Oxford, Ontario, Canada³¹. More About Frances Ann Shannon: Census: 1851²⁷ Census: 1871 Religion: Wesleyan Methodist⁴⁰ Origin: Irish Religion: Methodist Census: 1881 Cause Of Death: Consumption 4 months Medical Condition: Information supplied by George Shannon, brother Notes for Frances Ann Shannon: Never married.
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	56.	vii.	JOSEPH SHANNON⁴⁰ was born in 1853 in Dumfries South, Brant, Ontario, Canada¹⁷. He died after 1883²². He married SARAH JANE JAMES on 09 Dec 1879 in 142 Oxford Street, London, Middlesex, Ontario, Canada⁶⁸, daughter of William James and Jane. She was born in 1857 in Canada.


	57.	viii.	GEORGE SHANNON⁴⁰ was born on 12 Mar 1855 in Dumfries South, Brant, Ontario, Canada⁶². He died after 1911 in Ontario, Canada¹⁷. He married MARTHA E. SMITH about 1888 in Oxford, Ontario, Canada³³. She was born on 03 Jun 1856 in USA⁶². She died after 1911 in Ontario, Canada¹⁷.


		ix.	EDWARD CHRYSLER SHANNON was born on 11 Jul 1863 in Dumfries South, Brant, Ontario, Canada³⁸. He died on 07 Mar 1880 in Amabel, Bruce, Ontario, Canada⁸⁶. More About Edward Chrysler Shannon: Baptism: 24 Dec 1865³⁸ Census: 1871 Religion: Wesleyan Methodist⁴⁰ Grave Reference: R 14 S 3³⁵ Burial: 1880 in Maus Methodist Paris Plains Church Cemetery, Dumfries South, Brant, Ontario, Canada Cause Of Death: Throat Disease Notes for Edward Chrysler Shannon: 3 372 Halton & Brant Dumfries Township S. & N. Edward Chrysler Shannon John F. Dumfries Dumfries 1863-07-11 1865-12-24 Dumfries Laird, Rev. J. G.
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29.	ELEANOR⁸ GOLDRING (James⁷, Thomas⁶, Richard⁵, Hendrie⁴, Richard³, Richard², Christopher¹) was born before 19 Aug 1821 in South Bersted, Sussex, England⁹. She died on 02 May 1890 in Paris, Brant, Ontario, Canada. She married FORDAS COWLES on 13 Apr 1847 in Wesleyan Methodist Church, Gore, Ontario, Canada. He was born in 1825 in USA⁴⁰. He died before 1881 in Paris, Brant, Ontario, Canada⁴¹. More About Eleanor Goldring: Christening: 19 Aug 1821 in South Bersted, Sussex, England⁹ Immigration: 1832 Census: 1881 Medical Condition: about 15 days Cause Of Death: Senility and Paralysis of the Heart


	More About Fordas Cowles: Occupation: Census: 1871 More About Fordas Cowles and Eleanor Goldring: Minister:
	Fordas Cowles and Eleanor Goldring had the following children:
	58.	i.	FRANCES SARAH⁹ COWLES was born in 1848 in Paris, Brant, Ontario, Canada⁶⁶. She married (1) THOMAS RUSSELL on 15 Nov 1871 (Brantford, Brant, Ontario, Canada)⁶⁸, son of Thos Russell and Mary. He was born in 1839 in Dorsetshire England⁹¹. He died on 16 Aug 1873 in Paris, Brant, Ontario, Canada³¹. She married (2) CHARLES H. JACKSON on 12 Sep 1881 in North Dumfries, Waterloo, Ontario, Canada⁶⁸, son of Samuel Jackson and Betsy Atkinson. He was born in England⁹¹.


		ii.	REGEA MARY COWLES was born on 16 Jun 1854 in Paris, Brant, Ontario, Canada³⁸.



		iii.	ELLEN LOUISA COWLES³⁸ was born on 28 Sep 1856 in Paris, Brant, Ontario, Canada⁹². She married JOHN TAYLOR on 19 Sep 1878 in Paris, Brant, Ontario, Canada, son of Edward Taylor and Sarah. He was born in Ontario, Canada.
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		iv.	NETTIE BELLA COWLES³⁸ was born on 21 May 1866 in Paris, Brant, Ontario, Canada³⁸. More About Nettie Bella Cowles: Census: 1881
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30.	MICHAEL⁸ GOLDRING (James⁷, Thomas⁶, Richard⁵, Hendrie⁴, Richard³, Richard², Christopher¹)⁴² was born on 02 Aug 1823 in South Bersted, Sussex, England. He died on 19 Aug 1874 in Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada³¹. He married SARAH O'HOLLORAN in Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada. She was born in 1838 in Ireland⁴³. She died on 16 Mar 1880 in Toronto General Hospital, Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada³¹. More About Michael Goldring: Christening: 09 Nov 1823 in South Bersted, Sussex, England⁹ Occupation:⁶⁵ Title: Captain Cause Of Death: Murder?⁶⁵ Medical Condition: Natural causes .........want of proper care and nourishment Bad inflammation of the lungs and had been badly beaten by his wife. cannot make out that one word after causes Notes for Michael Goldring: Our family records indicated 3 daughters, but no names or dates. One of the daughters, after her marriage, we believe, emigrated to Chicago. Young George [1866-1867] #7967, is a surprise, as we had no previous knowledge of him. Thomas Deeth Victoria. Henry( at )canadacouncil. ca [mailto:Victoria. Henry( at )canadacouncil. ca] Sent: August 29, 2006 4:06 PM To: sandi( at )SandiSullivan. com Subject: Captain William Goldring Dear Sandi, This was a surprize; to find my great great grandfather's name through Google. I will take more time to read your very extensive notes but in the meantime this is what I know Captain Michael Goldring married Bridget O'Holloran in Toronto when I don't know and produced at least two children Mary Ann and Sarah. As the family never talked about Bridget and Sarah was never seen by me I only have gossip from a great aunt by marriage that Bridget took the children from Toronto island where they were born and raised to Toronto and that she was in poor health and died young. Michael Goldring died from exposure on Lake Ontario. I found records of two ships in the Maritime Museum in Kingston - the Maple Leaf and one other (I have to look it up). Mary Ann Goldring married Stanley Kimber and they produced 6 children William, Harry, Ernest, Alice, May, Jenny . The three girls never married as their mother insisted they stay home and care for her. William and Harry became prominent lawyers in Toronto. Ernest was my grandfather. The mystery is that there seems Rito be no record of Bridget O'Holloran that I was able to find. I have the original proposal from Stanley Kimber to Mary Ann Goldring. Thank you for all this great work. Victoria Henry


	More About Sarah O'Holloran: Medical Condition: A wasting or consumption of the tissue; -formerly applied to many wasting diseases, but now usually restricted to pulmonary phthisis or consumption. Cause Of Death: Phthisic Also Known As: Bridget Notes for Sarah O'Holloran: The mystery is that there seems to be no record of Bridget O'Holloran that I was able to find. Is Bridget the same person as Bridget? I was told by my great aunt - Harry's wife (the nephew in the document) that Michael's wife was Bridgett O"Holloran tho she certainly never suggested there was a second wife. She did say Bridgett died young at the age of 44 I think.
	Michael Goldring and Sarah O'Holloran had the following children:
	59.	i.	MARY ANN⁹ GOLDRING⁴² was born on 02 Oct 1857 in Toronto Island, Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada^{62, 91}. She died in 1956 in Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada. She married WILLIAM STANLEY KIMBER on 09 Jun 1882 in Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada⁶⁸, son of George Kimber and Mary Ann. He was born on 31 Dec 1854 in London, England⁶². He died in 1933 in Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada.


		ii.	ANNA JANE GOLDRING³¹ was born on 19 Aug 1859 in Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada. She died on 28 Jan 1928 in Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada³¹.
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		iii.	GEORGE GOLDRING⁹³ was born in Jan 1867 in Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada⁹³. He died on 14 Aug 1867 in Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada³⁵. More About George Goldring: Burial: 15 Aug 1867 in St. James Cemetery, Toronto, Ontario, Canada³⁵ Grave Reference: Cause Of Death: Bowel Complaint
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	60.	iv.	SARAH GOLDRING⁴² was born in Dec 1867 in Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada⁶⁶. She died in Cincinnati, Hamilton, Ohio, USA¹⁷. She married JAMES LONG on 14 Sep 1887 in Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada⁶⁸, son of James Long and Eliza Kenny. He was born in Aug 1866 in Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada⁶⁶. He died before 1920 in Chicago, Cook, Illinois, USA⁹⁴.


31.	GEORGE⁸ GOLDRING (James⁷, Thomas⁶, Richard⁵, Hendrie⁴, Richard³, Richard², Christopher¹)¹⁵ was born before 02 Oct 1825 in South Bersted, Sussex, England. He died between 1880-1890 in Richland, Illinois, USA³³. He married (1) ELIZABETH NEWMAN in 1852 in Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada¹⁵. She was born in 1831 in England²⁷. She died about 1864 in Richland, Illinois, USA¹⁷. He married (2) NANCY on 25 Oct 1865 in Richland, Illinois, USA⁴⁴. She was born in 1845 in Tennessee, USA. More About George Goldring: Christening: 02 Oct 1825 in South Bersted, Sussex, England⁹ Census: 1851²⁷ Immigration: 1858 Census: 1860 Census: 1880


	More About Elizabeth Newman: Census: 1851²⁷ Census: 1860
	George Goldring and Elizabeth Newman had the following children:
	61.	i.	SAMUEL⁹ GOLDRING¹⁵ was born in 1853 in Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada. He died on 04 May 1913 in Cook, Illinois, USA⁹⁵. He married CAROLINE. She was born in 1853 in Wisconsin, USA⁹⁶. She died on 01 Mar 1934 in Chicago, Cook, Illinois, USA⁹⁷.


	62.	ii.	JAMES GOLDRING¹⁵ was born in 1855 in Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada. He married ADA CHAPMAN. She was born in 1866.


		iii.	ELIZABETH GOLDRING¹⁵ was born in 1857 in Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada. More About Elizabeth Goldring: Census: 1860
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	63.	iv.	MARIAH GOLDRING¹⁵ was born on 14 Apr 1859 in Olney, Richland, Illinois, USA⁹⁸. She died on 20 Aug 1931 in Richland, Illinois, USA⁹⁸. She married (1) ARTHUR MCWILLIAMS in 1880 in Richland, Illinois, USA. He was born on 14 Mar 1858 in Olney, Richland, Illinois, USA⁹⁸. He died on 29 Mar 1919 in Olney, Richland, Illinois, USA⁹⁸. She married (2) WILLIAM CHAPMAN on 19 Oct 1876 in Richland, Illinois, USA. He died before 1880 in Richland, Illinois, USA³³.


	64.	v.	HATTIE A. GOLDRING¹⁵ was born in 1863 in Olney, Richland, Illinois, USA¹⁵. She died on 20 Nov 1939 in Chicago, Cook, Illinois, USA⁹⁹. She married THOMAS MCWILLIAMS on 27 Aug 1882 in Richland, Illinois, USA¹⁰⁰. He was born in 1853.


	George Goldring and Nancy had the following child:
		vi.	ROSELLE WHITE¹⁵ was born in 1862 in Richland, Illinois, USA. She married WILLIAM CHAPMAN.
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32.	JAMES⁸ GOLDRING (Edmund⁷, Thomas⁶, Richard⁵, Hendrie⁴, Richard³, Richard², Christopher¹) was born before 28 Nov 1811 in Pagham, Sussex, England. He married CHARLOTTE RICHARDSON on 07 Sep 1833 in Pagham, Sussex, England³³, daughter of David Richardson and Sarah. She was born in 1815 in Sussex, England⁴⁶. More About James Goldring: Christening: 28 Nov 1811 in Pagham, Sussex, England¹⁹ Census: 1841²⁸ Census: 1851¹⁶ Census: 1861⁴⁶


	More About Charlotte Richardson: Census: 1841²⁸ Census: 1851¹⁶ Census: 1861⁴⁶
	James Goldring and Charlotte Richardson had the following children:
	65.	i.	EDMUND⁹ GOLDRING was born in 1834 in Pagham, Sussex, England. He married (1) EDITH. She was born in 1835 in Selsey, Sussex, England⁴⁶. She died between Jul-Sep 1894 in Eastbourne, Sussex, England¹⁰¹. He married (2) ANNIE MARIA WALDRAM between Jul-Sep 1895 in Eastbourne, Sussex, England¹⁰². She was born in 1857 in St Marys Parish, Leicestershire, England¹⁰³.


	66.	ii.	JAMES GOLDRING was born in 1835 in Pagham, Sussex, England. He married CATHERINE JORDAN HOOKER on 06 Jul 1861 in West Wittering, Westhampnett, Sussex, England^{104, 105}. She was born between Jan-Mar 1840 in Little Hampton, Worthing, Sussex, England^{106, 107}.


	67.	iii.	ENOS GOLDRING was born in 1837 in Pagham, Sussex, England. He died between Jul-Sep 1873 in Uxbridge, Middlesex, England¹⁰⁸. He married SARAH JANE HEASMAN between Jan-Mar 1858 in Brighton, Sussex, England¹⁰⁹. She was born in 1836 in Bolney, Sussex, England.


		iv.	MARY GOLDRING was born in 1838 in Pagham, Sussex, England. She married WILLIAM H. WARD. More About Mary Goldring: Census: 1841²⁸ Census: 1851¹⁶ Census: 1861⁴⁶
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	68.	v.	ELIZA GOLDRING was born in 1841 in Pagham, Sussex, England⁴⁷. She married (1) CHARLES BAILEY between Jul-Sep 1874 in Westhampnett, Pagham, Sussex, England¹¹⁰. He was born in 1841 in Pagham, Sussex, England. She married (2) JAMES WHEELER in 1866 in Pagham, Sussex, England. He was born in 1841 in Linchmere, Sussex, England⁴⁷. He died before Jul 1874 in Pagham, Sussex, England³³.


	69.	vi.	SARA ANN GOLDRING was born in 1843 in Pagham, Sussex, England. She married DAVID BARTHOLOMEW between Jan-Mar 1868 in Westhampnett, Pagham, Sussex, England¹¹¹. He was born in 1839 in Ninfield, Sussex, England¹⁰⁶.


	70.	vii.	LOUISA GOLDRING was born in 1844 in Pagham, Sussex, England. She married (1) WILLIAM ADCOCK in 1866. He was born in 1843 in Loughborough, Leicestershire, England¹⁰³. She married (2) FRANK WINDEBANK between Jul-Sep 1861 in Chichester, Sussex, England¹¹². He was born in Sussex, England.


	71.	viii.	CEPHAS GOLDRING was born between Apr-Jun 1845 in Pagham, Sussex, England¹¹³. He married CHARLOTTE PAUL in 1868 in Kensington, Middlesex, England¹¹⁴. She was born in 1849 in Camden, London, England¹⁰⁶.


	72.	ix.	REUBEN GOLDRING was born in 1846 in Pagham, Sussex, England. He died in 1928 in England. He married ESTHER CARTER between Jul-Sep 1875 in Westhampnett, Pagham, Sussex, England¹¹⁵, daughter of Edmund Carter and Letsey Pharvah. She was born on 29 Dec 1851 in Pagham, Sussex, England⁶⁰. She died in 1939 in England.


		x.	THURZA GOLDRING was born between Jul-Sep 1848 in Westhampnett, Pagham, Sussex, England¹¹⁶. More About Thurza Goldring: Census: 1851¹⁶ Census: 1861⁴⁶ Also Known As: Thirza
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		xi.	AGNES GOLDRING⁴⁶ was born in 1850 in Pagham, Sussex, England⁴⁶. More About Agnes Goldring: Census: 1851¹⁶ Census: 1861⁴⁶
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		xii.	JULIA ANN GOLDRING⁴⁶ was born in 1852 in Pagham, Sussex, England⁴⁶. More About Julia Ann Goldring: Census: 1861⁴⁶
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		xiii.	ROSE GOLDRING was born in 1852 in Pagham, Sussex, England. She married JOSEPH GOLDRING, son of William Goldring and Amy. He was born in 1851 in Chichester, Sussex, England¹⁶. More About Rose Goldring: Census: 1881⁶⁰ Notes for Rose Goldring: Needs research
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		xiv.	EDWIN GOLDRING⁴⁶ was born in 1855 in Pagham, Sussex, England⁴⁶. More About Edwin Goldring: Census: 1861⁴⁶
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33.	WILLIAM⁸ GOLDRING (Edmund⁷, Thomas⁶, Richard⁵, Hendrie⁴, Richard³, Richard², Christopher¹) was born before 25 Jan 1817 in Pagham, Sussex, England. He married AMY. She was born in 1821 in Pagham, Sussex, England⁴⁷. She died in 1897 in England. More About William Goldring: Christening: 25 Jan 1817 in Pagham, Sussex, England¹⁹ Census: 1841²⁸ Census: 1871⁴⁷ Census: 1881⁶⁰ Notes for William Goldring: Census living with nephew Reuben [1846] Note: Amy & Henry living separate from William in 1881, but he list himself as a widow.


	More About Amy: Census: 1851¹⁶ Census: 1861⁴⁶ Census: 1871⁴⁷ Census: 1881⁶⁰ Notes for Amy: Amy & young Henry are living, not with any of her children, nor her husband, but lodging with a young couple and doing laundry to make ends meet and raise young Henry. What ever happened?
	William Goldring and Amy had the following children:
		i.	WILLIAM⁹ GOLDRING¹⁶ was born in 1843 in Pagham, Sussex, England. More About William Goldring: Census: 1851¹⁶ Census: 1861⁴⁶
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		ii.	REUBEN GOLDRING²⁷ was born in 1847 in Pagham, Sussex, England¹⁶. More About Reuben Goldring: Census: 1851¹⁶ Census: 1861⁴⁶
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		iii.	ANNE GOLDRING⁴⁶ was born in 1849 in Pagham, Sussex, England. More About Anne Goldring: Census: 1861⁴⁶
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		iv.	JOSEPH GOLDRING was born in 1851 in Chichester, Sussex, England¹⁶. He married ROSE GOLDRING, daughter of James Goldring and Charlotte Richardson. She was born in 1852 in Pagham, Sussex, England. More About Joseph Goldring: Census: 1851¹⁶ Census: 1861⁴⁶ Census: 1871⁴⁷ Census: 1881⁶⁰
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		v.	THOMAS GOLDRING was born in 1854 in Chichester, Sussex, England⁴⁷. He married ADELAIDE SHRUBB in 1873 in Westhampnett, Pagham, Sussex, England¹¹⁷. She was born in 1852 in Sussex, England. More About Thomas Goldring: Census: 1861⁴⁶ Census: 1871⁴⁷
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		vi.	EMILY GOLDRING was born in 1857 in Pagham, Sussex, England⁴⁷. More About Emily Goldring: Census: 1861⁴⁶ Census: 1871⁴⁷
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		vii.	ALFRED GOLDRING was born in 1859 in Pagham, Sussex, England⁴⁷. More About Alfred Goldring: Census: 1861⁴⁶ Census: 1871⁴⁷
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		viii.	HENRY WILLIAM GOLDRING was born in 1866 in Pagham, Sussex, England⁴⁷. More About Henry William Goldring: Census: 1871⁴⁷ Census: 1881⁶⁰
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		ix.	MARY ANN GOLDRING¹ was born on 24 Feb 1871 in Pagham, Sussex, England. She died about 1871 in Pagham, Sussex, England¹¹⁸.
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34.	REUBEN⁸ GOLDRING (Edmund⁷, Thomas⁶, Richard⁵, Hendrie⁴, Richard³, Richard², Christopher¹) was born before 08 Jun 1819 in Pagham, Sussex, England. He married HARRIET CHASE in Jun 1845 in Westhampnett, Sussex, England⁴⁸. She was born in 1822 in Pagham, Sussex, England. She died in Mar 1901 in Westhampnett, Parham, Sussex, England⁴⁹. More About Reuben Goldring: Christening: 08 Jun 1819 in Pagham, Sussex, England¹⁹ Census: 1841²⁸ Census: 1851¹⁶ Census: 1861⁴⁶ Census: 1881⁶⁰


	More About Harriet Chase: Census: 1851¹⁶ Census: 1861⁴⁶ Census: 1881⁶⁰
	Reuben Goldring and Harriet Chase had the following children:
		i.	HARRIET⁹ GOLDRING¹⁶ was born in 1848 in Pagham, Sussex, England. More About Harriet Goldring: Census: 1851¹⁶
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		ii.	JAMES GOLDRING¹⁶ was born in 1850 in Pagham, Sussex, England. More About James Goldring: Census: 1851¹⁶
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		iii.	ESTHER GOLDRING⁴⁶ was born in 1853 in Pagham, Sussex, England. She married HENRY WINGATE between Oct-Dec 1873 in Westhampnett, Pagham, Sussex, England¹¹⁹. He was born in Sussex, England³³. More About Esther Goldring: Census: 1861⁴⁶
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	73.	iv.	REUBEN GOLDRING⁴⁶ was born in 1855 in Pagham, Sussex, England. He married SARAH JANE GREEN. She was born in 1857 in Mundham, Sussex, England¹⁰⁶.


	74.	v.	CHARLES GOLDRING⁴⁶ was born in 1857 in Pagham, Sussex, England. He married ANN DYER in 1884. She was born in 1864 in Pagham, Sussex, England¹⁰³.


		vi.	LUCY GOLDRING was born in 1859 in Pagham, Sussex, England. She died in 1860 in Pagham, Sussex, England.
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		vii.	EDITH GOLDRING was born in 1861 in Pagham, Sussex, England. She died in 1862 in Pagham, Sussex, England.
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35.	MIRIAM⁸ GOLDRING (Edmund⁷, Thomas⁶, Richard⁵, Hendrie⁴, Richard³, Richard², Christopher¹) was born before 24 Oct 1821 in Pagham, Sussex, England. She married JAMES ETHERIDGE between Jul-Sep 1849 in Westhampnett, Pagham, Sussex, England⁵⁰. He was born in 1822 in Pagham, Sussex, England. He died between 1891-1901 in Pagham, Sussex, England⁵¹. More About Miriam Goldring: Christening: 24 Oct 1821 in Pagham, Sussex, England¹⁹ Census: 1841²⁸ Census: 1851¹⁶ Census: 1861⁴⁶ Census: 1871⁴⁷ Census: 1881⁶⁰ Census: 1891¹⁰⁶ Census: 1901¹⁰³


	More About James Etheridge: Census: 1851¹⁶ Census: 1861⁴⁶ Census: 1871⁴⁷ Census: 1881⁶⁰ Census: 1891¹⁰⁶
	James Etheridge and Miriam Goldring had the following children:
		i.	HELEN ELIZABETH⁹ ETHERIDGE⁴⁶ was born between Apr-Jun 1850 in Westhampnett, Pagham, Sussex, England. More About Helen Elizabeth Etheridge: Census: 1851¹⁶ Census: 1861⁴⁶ Census: 1901¹⁰³
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		ii.	FREDERICK ETHERIDGE⁴⁷ was born in 1852 in Pagham, Sussex, England. More About Frederick Etheridge: Census: 1861⁴⁶ Census: 1871⁴⁷ Census: 1881⁶⁰ Census: 1891¹⁰⁶ Census: 1901¹⁰³
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	75.	iii.	ALFRED G ETHERIDGE⁴⁷ was born in 1854 in Pagham, Sussex, England. He married MARY E CHEESMAN. She was born in 1859 in Victoria, Australia¹⁰³.


		iv.	FANNY ETHERIDGE⁴⁶ was born in 1855 in Pagham, Sussex, England. More About Fanny Etheridge: Census: 1861⁴⁶ Census: 1891
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		v.	LUCY ANN ETHERIDGE⁴⁷ was born in 1856 in Pagham, Sussex, England. More About Lucy Ann Etheridge: Census: 1861⁴⁶ Census: 1871⁴⁰ Also Known As: Fanny
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		vi.	MARY J ETHERIDGE⁴⁷ was born in 1859 in Pagham, Sussex, England. More About Mary J Etheridge: Census: 1861⁴⁶ Census: 1871⁴⁷
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		vii.	WILLIAM J. ETHERIDGE⁴⁶ was born in 1860 in Pagham, Sussex, England. More About William J. Etheridge: Census: 1861⁴⁶
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		viii.	EDITH A. ETHERIDGE⁴⁷ was born in 1863 in Pagham, Sussex, England. More About Edith A. Etheridge: Census: 1871⁴⁷ Census: 1881⁶⁰
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36.	THOMAS⁸ GOLDRING (Edmund⁷, Thomas⁶, Richard⁵, Hendrie⁴, Richard³, Richard², Christopher¹) was born before 22 Mar 1825 in Pagham, Sussex, England. He married SARAH KNOTT between Jan-Mar 1843 in Portsea Island, Hampshire, England⁵³. More About Thomas Goldring: Christening: 22 Mar 1825 in Pagham, Sussex, England¹⁹

	Thomas Goldring and Sarah Knott had the following children:
		i.	THOMAS KNOTT⁹ GOLDRING was born between Oct-Dec 1848 in Westbourne, Sussex, England¹²⁰. He died between Jan-Mar 1849 in Westbourne, Sussex, England.
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		ii.	WILLIAM THOMAS GOLDRING was born about 1850 in Portsea Island, Hampshire, England³³. He married SELINA LYDIA PORT between Jul-Sep 1872 in Portsea Island, Hampshire, England¹²¹. She was born between Jan-Mar 1851 in Portsea Island, Hampshire, England. She died between Apr-Jun 1909 in Portsmouth, Hampshire, England¹²².
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		iii.	THOMAS GOLDRING was born in 1851 in Portsea Island, Hampshire, England³³. He married SELINA LOUISA LYNCH between Jan-Mar 1871 in Portsea Island, Hampshire, England¹²³. She was born between Jul-Sep 1846 in Portsea Island, Hampshire, England¹²⁴.
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37.	MARTHA⁸ GOLDRING (Edmund⁷, Thomas⁶, Richard⁵, Hendrie⁴, Richard³, Richard², Christopher¹)¹⁶ was born in 1829 in Pagham, Sussex, England¹⁶. She married JOHN APPS between Jul-Sep 1852 in Westhampnett, Pagham, Sussex, England⁵⁴. He was born in 1828 in Pagham, Sussex, England. He died between 1881-1891 in Pagham, Sussex, England⁵⁵. More About Martha Goldring: Census: 1841²⁸ Census: 1851¹⁶ Census: 1861⁴⁶ Census: 1881⁶⁰ Census: 1891¹⁰⁶


	More About John Apps: Census: 1861⁴⁶ Census: 1881⁶⁰
	John Apps and Martha Goldring had the following children:
	76.	i.	FREDERICK⁹ APPS⁴⁶ was born between Jan-Mar 1853 in Westhampnett, Pagham, Sussex, England¹²⁵. He died in 1897 in Westhampnett, Pagham, Sussex, England¹²⁶. He married MARIA FAITH between Oct-Dec 1879 in Westhampnett, Pagham, Sussex, England¹²⁷. She was born in 1849 in Sidlesham, Sussex, England.


	77.	ii.	JULIA APPS⁴⁶ was born in 1857 in Pagham, Sussex, England. She married EDWARD JAMES MANT between Jul-Sep 1879 in Westhampnett, Pagham, Sussex, England¹²⁸. He was born between Jul-Sep 1850 in Westhampnett, Pagham, Sussex, England¹²⁹.


		iii.	WALTER J. APPS was born in 1861 in Pagham, Sussex, England. He died in 1861 in Pagham, Sussex, England. Notes for Walter J. Apps: Lived 4 days
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	78.	iv.	JOHN APPS⁶⁰ was born in 1869 in Pagham, Sussex, England¹⁰³. He married FANNY HOLLIST between Apr-Jun 1892 in Westhampnett, Pagham, Sussex, England¹³⁰. She was born in 1870 in South Mundham, Sussex, England¹⁰³.


38.	ELEANOR⁸ GOLDRING (Henry⁷, Thomas⁶, Richard⁵, Hendrie⁴, Richard³, Richard², Christopher¹)¹⁵ was born before 25 Dec 1823 in South Bersted, Sussex, England¹⁵. She died on 04 Jun 1907 in Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada. She married JOSEPH PEELER on 21 Nov 1839 in Christ Church, Mimico, Ontario, Canada, son of John Peeler and Margaret Houghton. He died on 21 Mar 1897 in Ontario, Canada. More About Eleanor Goldring: Christening: 25 Dec 1823 in South Bersted, Sussex, England Immigration: May 1832

	Joseph Peeler and Eleanor Goldring had the following children:
	79.	i.	ELEANOR⁹ PEELER¹⁵ was born between 1838-1844 in Ontario, Canada³³. She married WILLIAM C. HUFFMAN on 25 Jul 1864 in Toronto, Ontario, Canada, son of George Huffman and Lyndia. He died on 27 Nov 1879 in Etobicoke, Ontario, Canada.


		ii.	MARY ANNE PEELER¹⁵ was born in 1842 in Etobicoke, Ontario, Canada⁶⁶. She married ALEXANDER MONTGOMERY on 08 Sep 1866 in Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada¹³¹, son of Richard Montgomery and Hannah. He was born in 1836 in York, Ontario, Canada.
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		iii.	WILLIAM PEELER.
		iii.	WILLIAM PEELER.

		iv.	JOHN PEELER.
		iv.	JOHN PEELER.

Generation 9

39.	ELLEN GOLDRING⁹ GREEN (Grace⁸ Goldring, Richard⁷ Goldring, Thomas⁶ Goldring, Richard⁵ Goldring, Hendrie⁴ Goldring, Richard³ Goldring, Richard² Goldring, Christopher¹ Goldring) was born in 1829 in South Bersted, Sussex, England¹². She married HENRY GUMBRELL on 20 Aug 1849 in Bognor, Sussex, England^{14, 59}. He was born in 1815 in Bognor, Sussex, England⁴⁷. More About Ellen Goldring Green: Census: 1851¹⁶ Census: 1871⁴⁷ Census: 1881⁶⁰


	More About Henry Gumbrell: Census: 1851¹⁶ Census: 1871⁴⁷ Census: 1881 Notes for Henry Gumbrell: Name: Annie Lily Gumbrell Age: 8 Estimated birth year: abt 1863 Relation: Granddaughter Gender: Female Where born: Chelsea, London, England Living with them on the 1871 census. Annie Lily, must have been Ann [1842]'s daughter, although I've been unable to locate any record of a marriage for Ann. Pretty unusual, living in a household with 5 or 6 of your aunts and uncles all younger than you
	Henry Gumbrell and Ellen Goldring Green had the following children:
		i.	EDWARD¹⁰ GUMBRELL¹⁶ was born on 09 Sep 1849 in Bognor, Sussex, England. More About Edward Gumbrell: Census: 1851¹⁶
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		ii.	JOHN GUMBRELL was born on 02 Feb 1851 in Bognor, Sussex, England.



		iii.	ELLEN FANNY GUMBRELL was born on 26 Jun 1853 in Bognor, Sussex, England.



	80.	iv.	ARTHUR GUMBRELL⁴⁷ was born on 18 Feb 1855 in Bognor, Sussex, England. He married FANNY LEGGETT between Oct-Dec 1876 in Westhampnett, Pagham, Sussex, England¹³². She was born in 1853 in Walberton, Sussex, England⁶⁰.


		v.	HARRIETT GUMBRELL was born on 19 Apr 1857 in Bognor, Sussex, England.
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		vi.	FREDERICK GUMBRELL was born on 12 Feb 1859 in Bognor, Sussex, England.
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		vii.	RICHARD GUMBRELL⁴⁷ was born on 03 Feb 1861 in Bognor, Sussex, England¹³³. He died between Apr-Jun 1894 in Westhampnett, Parham, Sussex, England¹³⁴. More About Richard Gumbrell: Census: 1871⁴⁷
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		viii.	ALBERT EMERY GUMBRELL was born on 28 Feb 1863 in Bognor, Sussex, England.



		ix.	MARY ANN GUMBRELL was born on 15 Apr 1864 in Bognor, Sussex, England. More About Mary Ann Gumbrell: Also Known As: Fanny
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		x.	ELIZABETH GUMBRELL⁴⁷ was born on 18 Feb 1865 in Bognor, Sussex, England. She died between Apr-Jun 1879 in Westhampnett, Parham, Sussex, England¹³⁵. More About Elizabeth Gumbrell: Census: 1871⁴⁷
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		xi.	JAMES GUMBRELL was born on 18 Feb 1865 in Bognor, Sussex, England. He died on 26 May 1865.
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		xii.	AMY GUMBRELL⁴⁷ was born on 06 Mar 1868 in Bognor, Sussex, England. More About Amy Gumbrell: Census: 1871⁴⁷ Occupation: Census: 1881⁶⁰
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		xiii.	GRACE GUMBRELL⁴⁷ was born on 06 Mar 1868 in Bognor, Sussex, England. More About Grace Gumbrell: Census: 1871⁴⁷ Census: 1881⁶⁰
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		xiv.	ALFRED GUMBRELL⁴⁷ was born on 12 Mar 1871 in Bognor, Sussex, England¹³⁶. He died between Oct-Dec 1876 in Westhampnett, Parham, Sussex, England¹³⁷. More About Alfred Gumbrell: Census: 1871⁴⁷
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40.	FREDERICK⁹ MARNER (Charlotte⁸ Goldring, Thomas⁷ Goldring, Thomas⁶ Goldring, Richard⁵ Goldring, Hendrie⁴ Goldring, Richard³ Goldring, Richard² Goldring, Christopher¹ Goldring) was born in 1829 in Bognor, Sussex, England⁶⁰. He married EMMA PERRY in 1857. She was born in 1837 in Bognor, Sussex, England⁶⁰. More About Frederick Marner: Census: 1881⁶⁰


	More About Emma Perry: Census: 1881
	Frederick Marner and Emma Perry had the following children:
		i.	CAROLINE¹⁰ MARNER⁶⁰ was born in 1862 in Portsea, Hampshire, England⁶⁰. More About Caroline Marner: Census: 1881⁶⁰
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		ii.	THOMAS MARNER⁶⁰ was born in 1864 in Portsea, Hampshire, England⁶⁰. More About Thomas Marner: Census: 1881⁶⁰
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		iii.	ARTHUR MARNER⁶⁰ was born in 1866 in Portsea, Hampshire, England⁶⁰. More About Arthur Marner: Census: 1881⁶⁰
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		iv.	EMMA MARNER⁶⁰ was born in 1868 in Portsea, Hampshire, England⁶⁰. More About Emma Marner: Census: 1881⁶⁰
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		v.	FANNY MARNER⁶⁰ was born in 1870 in Portsea, Hampshire, England⁶⁰. More About Fanny Marner: Census: 1881⁶⁰
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		vi.	HARRY MARNER⁶⁰ was born in 1875 in Portsea, Hampshire, England⁶⁰. More About Harry Marner: Census: 1881⁶⁰
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41.	FREDERICK THOMAS⁹ GOLDRING (Frederick⁸, Thomas⁷, Thomas⁶, Richard⁵, Hendrie⁴, Richard³, Richard², Christopher¹)¹² was born on 07 Jan 1866. He died on 06 Jun 1948 in South Australia, Australia. He married JANE L. SCHEDLICH on 24 Dec 1890 in Christ Church, North Adelaide, South Australia⁶¹, daughter of Carl Gustav Schedlich and Ann Euphemia Linn. She was born on 20 Jan 1866. She died on 08 Sep 1953 in South Australia, Australia.


	Notes for Jane L. Schedlich: From: Patricia Lawson [mailto:jade26( at )tadaust. org. au] Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 07:32 AM Was just running some family names through Rootsweb data bases and noted that you have a Jane L. Schedlich who married Frederick Goldring. I am descended from Jane's parents who were Carl Gustav Schedlich and Ann Euphemia Linn of South Australia. Jane Latta Schedlich married Fred Goldring at Christ Church North Adelaide South Australia on 24th December 1891. Jane Latta Schedlich was named after her aunt, Jane Linn who married a Robert Latta. Just thought I'd share this information with you. If you'd like anything more on Jane's parents and siblings, please let me know. Regards Trish Lawson.
	Frederick Thomas Goldring and Jane L. Schedlich had the following children:
		i.	ANNE LINN¹⁰ GOLDRING⁶¹ was born on 28 Sep 1891 in Mitcham, South Australia, Australia.
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		ii.	MARIE LOUISE GOLDRING⁶¹ was born on 28 May 1893 in Mitcham, South Australia, Australia.
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		iii.	FREDERICK HESSE GOLDRING⁶¹ was born on 08 Jan 1896 in Prospect, South Australia, Australia.
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		iv.	MINNA GOLDRING⁶¹ was born on 29 Sep 1897 in Prospect, South Australia, Australia.
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		v.	JEAN SCHEDLICH GOLDRING⁶¹ was born on 01 Feb 1900 in Malvern, South Australia.



		vi.	CARL GODFREY GOLDRING⁶¹ was born on 09 Dec 1907 in Grange, South Australia, Australia. More About Carl Godfrey Goldring: Also Known As: Carl Gottfried
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42.	THOMAS E.⁹ GOLDRING (James Henry⁸, James⁷, Thomas⁶, Richard⁵, Hendrie⁴, Richard³, Richard², Christopher¹) was born on 21 Dec 1846 in Ontario, Canada⁶². He died on 16 Oct 1920 in Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada⁶³. He married FLORA ANN MCDONALD on 16 Dec 1872 in Collingwood, Simcoe, Ontario, Canada⁶⁴, daughter of Donald McDonald and Catherine. She was born on 15 Aug 1849 in Ontario, Canada⁶². She died on 18 Aug 1930 in Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada⁶³. More About Thomas E. Goldring: Census: 1881 Census: 1901⁶² Census: 1911 Grave Reference: Lot 85, Section 8 Burial: St. James Cemetery, Toronto, Ontario, Canada Notes for Thomas E. Goldring: #44861 THOMAS GOLDRING, 75, BORN TORONTO, DIED IN TORONTO 16 OCT 1920, INTERRED 19 OCT, REV. W. E. BAKER OFFICIATING, RESIDENCE AT TIME OF DEATH 93 PACIFIC AVENUE, TORONTO, IN THE CENTRE GRAVE OF Lot 85 Section 8 #47272 FLORA A. GOLDRING, 71, BORN TORONTO, DIED IN TORONTO 18 AUGUST 1930, INTERRED 21 AUGUST, RESIDENCE AT TIME OF DEATH WATERLOO ONTARIO, IN THE CENTRE GRAVE OF Lot 85 Section 8, NOTE: ST JAMES' CEMETERY HAS NO RECORD OF THE 2 CHILDREN MENTIONED ON THE GRAVESTONE WHO DIED IN 1880. . . THEY ARE APPARENTLY BURIED ELSEWHERE


	More About Flora Ann McDonald: Census: 1881 Census: 1901⁶² Census: 1911 Grave Reference: Lot 85, Section 8 Cause Of Death: Cervical or uterine cancer Burial: St. James Cemetery, Toronto, Ontario, Canada
	Thomas E. Goldring and Flora Ann McDonald had the following children:
	81.	i.	JAMES G.¹⁰ GOLDRING was born on 25 Oct 1873 in Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada¹³⁸. He died on 21 Nov 1964 in Victoria, British Columbia, Canada¹³⁹. He married LAURA ADELAIDE HODGE on 07 Sep 1897 in York, Ontario, Canada⁶⁸, daughter of Robert Hodge and Maria Louise English. She was born on 07 Feb 1875 in Lindsay, Victoria, Ontario, Canada¹³⁸. She died on 19 Aug 1968 in Victoria, British Columbia, Canada¹⁴⁰.


		ii.	STILL BORN GOLDRING was born on 27 Mar 1875 in Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada¹³⁸. He died on 27 Mar 1875 in Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada.
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		iii.	DAVID GOLDRING was born on 28 Mar 1875 in Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada¹³⁸. He died before 1881 in Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada¹⁴¹. Notes for David Goldring: Not on census with family, twin? was still born or did they name him and then go back and record him with name? Two birth records, one on the 27 and one on the 28.
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		iv.	JOHN THOMAS GOLDRING⁶³ was born on 21 Jun 1876 in Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada. He died on 24 Mar 1880 in Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada. More About John Thomas Goldring: Grave Reference: Lot 85, Section 8 Burial: St. James Cemetery, Toronto, Ontario, Canada³⁵
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	82.	v.	THOMAS HENRY GOLDRING⁶⁷ was born on 21 Oct 1877 in Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada¹³⁸. He died on 26 Jun 1931 in Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada³¹. He married (1) NELLIE CAMERON RICE on 27 Jun 1902 in London, Middlesex, Ontario, Canada⁶⁸, daughter of Samuel Rice and Orpha Minerva Armstrong. She was born in 1877 in Teeterville, Norfolk, Ontario, Canada³⁵. She died on 21 Apr 1912 in Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada³¹. He married (2) LAURA ETTA SWEETMAN on 16 Jun 1913 in Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada⁶⁸, daughter of George Henry Sweetman and Ellen L. Smith. She was born in 1877 in Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada. She died on 13 Jan 1915 in Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada³¹. He married (3) LILLIAN MAUD DICKSON on 20 Nov 1915 in Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada, daughter of John H. Dickson and Harriet Trott. She was born in 1878 in Ontario, Canada.


		vi.	ANNIE GOLDRING was born on 28 Feb 1879 in Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada¹³⁸. She died on 18 Apr 1880 in Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada³¹. More About Annie Goldring: Grave Reference: Lot 85, Section 8 Cause Of Death: Diphtheria Burial: St. James Cemetery, Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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	83.	vii.	JOHN ERNEST GOLDRING was born on 21 Dec 1880 in Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada¹³⁸. He died on 05 Oct 1963 in View Royal, British Columbia, Canada¹⁴². He married (1) ROBENA NICHOLAS COLLIE on 27 Jul 1912 in Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada⁶⁸, daughter of David Collie and Mary Ann Small. She was born on 13 Nov 1880 in Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada¹³⁸. She died on 08 Aug 1962 in Alameda, California, USA¹⁴³. He married (2) MARJORIE PRISCILLA DENOVAN about 1930¹⁴⁴. She was born on 27 Jan 1893 in Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada¹⁴⁵. She died in California, USA³³.


	84.	viii.	ANNIE GOLDRING was born on 25 Mar 1882 in Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada¹³⁸. She died on 29 Sep 1931 in Dakota, Minnesota, USA¹⁵. She married ARDEE THEODORE NASH on 26 Jun 1913 in Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada¹⁴⁶, son of Daniel W. Nash and Annie M. Wismer. He was born on 12 Nov 1881 in Haldimand, Ontario, Canada¹³⁸. He died in Minnesota, USA¹⁴⁷.


	85.	ix.	HERBERT DANIEL GOLDRING¹⁴⁸ was born on 26 Feb 1884 in Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada¹³⁸. He died in 1947¹⁵. He married ELEANOR JAMES VEDDER on 10 Aug 1909 in Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada⁶⁸, daughter of Daniel James Vedder and Susan Davis. She was born in Mar 1882 in USA¹⁴⁹.


	86.	x.	WILLIAM GEORGE GOLDRING was born on 07 Nov 1885 in Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada¹³⁸. He died on 25 Sep 1955 in Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada⁶³. He married (1) ETHEL SEPHTON SMITH on 15 Apr 1907 in Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada⁶⁸, daughter of George Henry S. Smith and Ethel Sephton. She was born in 1886 in England⁶⁶. She died on 15 May 1978 in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada. He married (2) RACHEL CORDNER about 1932. She was born in 1904. She died on 05 Sep 1987 in Kitchener, Ontario, Canada.


	87.	xi.	FLORENCE MADELINE GOLDRING¹⁵ was born on 01 Jan 1888 in Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada¹³⁸. She died in 1931 in Waterloo, Ontario, Canada. She married ROSS RATZ in 1923 in Ontario, Canada.


		xii.	ALICE MAY GOLDRING was born on 19 Nov 1889 in Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada¹³⁸. She died in Lewisburg, Union, Pennsylvania, USA³³. She married UBERT CECIL HOLLAND on 21 Jul 1920 in Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada⁶⁸, son of John Holland and Mary Jane McIntyre. He was born in 1889 in Petrolia, Lambton, Ontario, Canada. He died in 1957 in Lewisburg, Union, Pennsylvania, USA¹⁵⁰. More About Alice May Goldring: Census: 1901⁶² Census: 1911¹⁴⁹ Census: 1930⁸⁷ Notes for Alice May Goldring: May was the only divorced woman in my family for years. She and Ubert had no children. They did keep their niece, Ruth, for a time when she was 12 or 13 and "Bert" made a pass at her. No one said much about him in my lifetime. May was also the first "career woman" I ever knew. She was a secretary. When she died, she was legally deaf and blind and she had arthritis so bad she couldn't do much. But we would go to see her and once she figured out who we were she was so happy. She figured out how many corridors she had to walk to get her mile in every day. And she appreciated what she had. Once we visited and someone had given her three apples. She couldn't see them or listen to her records, but she could feel them and smell them. I learned a lot from her. Debbie Martinez
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43.	GEORGE HENRY⁹ GOLDRING (William⁸, James⁷, Thomas⁶, Richard⁵, Hendrie⁴, Richard³, Richard², Christopher¹) was born on 20 Apr 1851 in Georgetown, Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada⁶⁵. He died on 08 May 1931 in Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada³¹. He married (1) ELIZABETH SARGEANT on 12 Jul 1877 in Don Mount, York, Ontario, Canada⁶⁶, daughter of Walter Sargeant and Sarah Ann. She was born on 01 Apr 1858 in London, England⁶⁷. She died on 19 Mar 1919 in Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada³¹. He married (2) CHARLOTTE BAROLIS on 21 Jun 1920 in Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada⁶⁸, daughter of James Barolis and Harriet Sargent. She was born on 21 Feb 1856 in Montréal, Quebec, Canada⁶². She died on 10 Oct 1928 in Toronto, Ontario, Canada³¹. More About George Henry Goldring: Census: 1851²⁷ Census: 1871⁴⁰ Christening: 12 Feb 1873³⁸ Census: 1881 Census: 1901⁶² Occupation: Notes for George Henry Goldring: Thomas Deeth [mailto:tsdeeth( at )telus. net] Sent: November 1, 2006 10:24 PM To: Sandi Sullivan Cc: Ruth Waite Subject: William, Annie, Matilda, George Enigma. Hi Sandi, Well, with this latest revelation of marriage certificates, it's really opened up a bag of worms. I'm banging my head trying to come up with an explanation. Not having a clear answer, I've decided to don my Detective Columbo trenchcoat and dive into this unfathomable mystery. My thoughts here may well be disjointed, stream of thought kind of thing, but anything may be better than nothing, and something I utter may trigger a thought in your minds. Three heads are better than one in all this, I think. So, what are the known facts at the moment. William was born in 1812. He supposedly married a "Matilda". We have no marriage certificate to support this. However, there is no doubt, Matilda was the mother of the youngest six of his purported 10 children, namely Sarah, Harriet, Edmund, Richard, Charles & Francis. She died in 1865 at age 31, according to the death certificate, right? Was there anything else on the death certificate other than Matilda, wife of William Goldring, died age 31? Any first or last names of a mother or father? Place of birth? Is it clearly 31 years of age, or could it be 37? Any clues at all? At the moment it places her birth date at about 1834. She therefore couldn't be the mother of William [1843], George Henry [1845] or Annie Jane [1847]. At this point, the mother of George Henry [1851/52] is much debatable. Therefore, William had a relationship with another woman prior to Matilda, right! Her name is presumably Annie T(u)rvey. We know nothing of her, no birth date, no date of death, no marriage record. Did they indeed marry? I have a date of 1835, which sort of fits. William is a young strapping lad of 33, nicely established in Canada, living the good life (compared to Britain), ready to take on a bride. However, this date bothers me a bit. If his relationship with Annie (say) began in 1835, why would they be barren for 8 years, then suddenly start pumping out kids regularly in 1843, 1845 & 1847. William's track record with Matilda is pretty prolific also, six kids in 10 years. So, I'm much more incline to think the William & Annie relationship (marriage?) began in the early 1840's. Annie doesn't appear with William & the family on the 1852 census, leaving us with the assumption she passed away sometime after Annie Jane's birth in 1847 and before the census. The mention of William being a widower supports this conclusion. Also, the occasional mention of John Henry in the Whitby "chronicles" being a half brother of the younger boys supports the 2 family supposition. So far, so good. Lets fast forward to George for a moment. We have marriage certificates for both his wives. In both instances, he claims his father is William, right? In his marriage to Elizabeth, he claims his mother is Matilda, in his marriage to Charlotte, he claims his mother is Annie. What a conundrum! My first thought. Was George's mother perhaps an Annie Matilda T(u)rvey, who married a Mr. Henry. Mr. Henry promptly dies, allowing a rapid romance between William & housekeeper Matilda to develop, resulting in Matilda bearing George in 1851/52. References exist that William was a widower and that Matilda (Mrs. Henry) was a widow, so that's a possibility. If so, who was the first wife? We'd be back to square one on that one. And this scenario also excludes a possible connection to the Hermers name. It also raises the question of where Matilda was residing at this time. If George was born to Matilda and fathered by William, why do neither appear on the census? So, the theory of Annie & Matilda being one and the same, in my mind, doesn't appear to hold up. But why would George indicate he was the son of William (on both marriage occasions) if he was born a "Henry". What if Mr. Henry's given name was William? Aha! Who was the father? Do we have a birth record for George? Was George named "George Henry Goldring" at birth? Or was he named "George H. (Hermers) Henry at birth? The census has made reference to Hermers or Hmr. as his middle name. If Hermers is in the equation, doesn't that also shoot down the Annie Matilda T(u)rvey theory? Family lore has it that George was born a stepson and took on the name Goldring. There seems to be a very strong bent toward the "Henry" name in George's life. Of his 13 offspring, six of them, (including 2 girls), were given the middle name of Henry. Why? For George's 4 younger brothers, with a total offspring of 27, only one had a middle name of Henry, the ill fated Albert [1892], son of Edmund & Mary Stutt. Was George a full brother, or a step-brother? George is recorded at times to be a sailor, but I'm not aware of any reference to him in any of the Goldring fleet stories I've seen, only the occasional reference to the half brother, John Henry. Seems odd. Why? Is it because he was a step and not a full? George must have known who his real father was. If it was William, why the penchant for "Henry"? If it was Henry, why "William" on his marriage to Elizabeth? If Mr. Henry's given name was William, we've solved part of the enigma. It's a reasonably probable and believable theory, I think. But why would George, in 1920, after all those years, disclose in his marriage to Charlotte, that his mother was not Matilda? Just doesn't make sense! The man is 68 or 69 years of age. Mind you, old men are known to do funny things. You guys don't have to agree with me on that one, OK!!! So, where does all this leave us. To date, I' ve located nothing on the names Henry, Hermers, T(u)rvey or T(e)rvey that would aid us in deciphering this riddle. Firstly, if we could uncover birth records for William [1843], John Henry [1845[ or Annie Jane [1847], it might be very helpful. Secondly, if we could locate marriage records for William, it would be of immense help. A caveat here, George's marriage records didn't help, did they? Thirdly, a successful search for any death records for an Annie Goldring or an Annie T(u)rvey for the period from 1847 to 1853 would be a huge bonus. Fourthly, George's birth record could prove very enlightening. Finally, are we aware of any of William Goldring's descendants out there (particularly George's), who just might be able to shed some light on all this. You'd think there'd be somebody out there with some additional knowledge of their ancestor, William. Inspector Clue-so here, (age 70) welcomes your comments. Regards, Tom I think what the death record tells me, is that George's younger brother, Richard, who is the informant here, didn't know George's mother's maiden name. Would that be Annie's maiden name? Or Matilda's maiden name? He informs us his brother's name is George Henry Goldring, not George Hermers Goldring, so maybe Richard never new his mothers maiden name of Hermers (if it was Hermers). Richard, 7 years younger than George, no doubt always new brother George as George Goldring. Did Richard and his siblings even know if he was a step brother (if he was)? Did George even know? I would have thought yes. There's still this "Henry" name thing, right. So, I'm not certain this obituary tells us anything. This second attachment looks very interesting. What are we actually looking at here? Is this our Matilda, age 20 and single on the 1851 census, with a surname of Kivell or Kivele? I see the middle initial is A. Could that stand for Annie? Her listed occupation is as a servant and/or "housekeeper", for the Goldring family? Is that George A. Henery or Heney just beneath her? Where are these people residing? Is this an area of Georgetown? You may well have hit on something here, Sandy. Keep up the good work, you'll crack it yet. Tom


	More About Elizabeth Sargeant: Census: 1881 Census: 1901⁶² More About George Henry Goldring and Elizabeth Sargeant: Record Number: 012420-77
	George Henry Goldring and Elizabeth Sargeant had the following children:
	88.	i.	THOMAS HENRY¹⁰ GOLDRING¹⁵¹ was born in Nov 1876 in Ontario, Canada¹⁴⁹. He married HARRIETT S. BURNS on 13 Nov 1900 in York, Ontario, Canada⁶⁸, daughter of Edward McGeary Burns and Harriet Foster. She was born in Jan 1875 in Ontario, Canada.


		ii.	BRIDGET GOLDRING¹⁵¹ was born in 1879 in Ontario, Canada. More About Bridget Goldring: Census: 1881¹⁵¹
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	89.	iii.	RICHARD HENRY GOLDRING was born on 20 Jun 1879 in Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada¹³⁸. He married ELIZABETH ANN NICHOL. She was born on 03 Nov 1878 in Ontario, Canada⁶².


		iv.	SELINA GOLDRING¹⁵¹ was born on 28 Oct 1880 in Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada⁶². She married ARTHUR S. SOUTHWELL on 03 Apr 1907 in Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada, son of George T. Southwell and Mary A. Hastings. He was born on 12 Feb 1882 in Whitby, Durham, Ontario, Canada⁶². More About Selina Goldring: Census: 1881¹⁵¹ Census: 1901⁶²
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